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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: new JRC Article
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2010, 12:42:42 PM »
This really is a nightmare.  The more I read and see, the worse it gets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-xXfgQiTU


Looks like Turley has picked up on it as well.

http://jonathanturley.org/2010/05/05/ri ... f-torture/
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2010, 01:22:37 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
This really is a nightmare.  The more I read and see, the worse it gets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-xXfgQiTU


Looks like Turley has picked up on it as well.

http://jonathanturley.org/2010/05/05/ri ... f-torture/



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They are doing it in the old country too....Ireland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-xXfgQiTU

LadyPortia777 This shock therapy ECT is also recommended for children of 4 and 9 in IRELAND for being too intelligent and strong willed. It is all kept quiet. I have witnessed social worker and psychologist in Ireland BREAK the child to nothing.
All this truth is being exposed.

Danny
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Re: new JRC Article
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2010, 01:27:36 PM »
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They are doing it in the old country too....Ireland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-xXfgQiTU

LadyPortia777 This shock therapy ECT is also recommended for children of 4 and 9 in IRELAND for being too intelligent and strong willed. It is all kept quiet. I have witnessed social worker and psychologist in Ireland BREAK the child to nothing.
All this truth is being exposed.

Danny


Seems to be a common theme.  The kids begin to develop their own personalities, beliefs etc that parents or teachers don't like, so......BAM.....off to the thought reform camps they go.
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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2010, 01:32:15 PM »
Youtube showing a more positive side to this Center

It would be nice if an agency could go in and do and extensive investigation on this place because the reports we are getting are all over the map and contradict each other.  We read about the abuses and deaths and then we hear firsthand accounts from patients and parents who tell a very different story.  Kids that were once highly medicated are now on no medication and able to work outside the center independently.  Many kids opt to had the GED skin shocks and there are independent reviews done by advocacy groups, psychiatrists and there is a court hearing before any child or adult can receive skin shocks.

From these videos there is no doubt in my mind that abuses have occurred and there continues to be exposure to future abuses.  But we also see that the center is helping many people which leads me to believe that the therapy itself is not abusive rather it is the lack of control the center has over how the patients are treated.

The average person residing at the center does not receive skin shocks at all and the ones that do receive skin shocks average one shock per week.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2010, 01:45:28 PM »
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out.


Yeah!   It's like getting hooked into a TV series!  Next season sure will be interesting!!

 ::)
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2010, 02:24:23 PM »
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Quote from: "Whooter"
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.


Yeah!   It's like getting hooked into a TV series!  Next season sure will be interesting!!

 ::)

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Yeah, not a very good choice of words there Whooter, even if one child is being harmed that is enough to stop. Not wait till it plays out.
Just say'in....

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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2010, 02:47:29 PM »
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 Many kids opt to had the GED skin shocks and there are independent reviews done by advocacy groups, psychiatrists and there is a court hearing before any child or adult can receive skin shocks.


Citation please


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The average person residing at the center does not receive skin shocks at all and the ones that do receive skin shocks average one shock per week.

Citation please


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It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Ughhhh....truly despicable.
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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2010, 03:11:57 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.


Yeah!   It's like getting hooked into a TV series!  Next season sure will be interesting!!

 ::)

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

Yeah, not a very good choice of words there Whooter, even if one child is being harmed that is enough to stop. Not wait till it plays out.
Just say'in....

Danny

I was referring to the investigation.  Waiting for that to play out.  I dont agree that the place should be shut down because one child gets hurt.  Look at how many children get hurt everyday in public schools, in cars and on buses.  How many kids overdose on drugs or harmed by the medication that doctors give them.  We cant approach every instance with a heavy stick.




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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2010, 03:15:18 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
 Many kids opt to had the GED skin shocks and there are independent reviews done by advocacy groups, psychiatrists and there is a court hearing before any child or adult can receive skin shocks.


Citation please


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The average person residing at the center does not receive skin shocks at all and the ones that do receive skin shocks average one shock per week.

Citation please


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It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Ughhhh....truly despicable.

The citation was in the video.  They have interviews with patients, parents and they talk about the process that is used.  It gives us all a different side of the issue.  Here is the clip again:

Youtube showing a more positive side to this Center



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Re: new JRC Article
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2010, 03:40:09 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
 Many kids opt to had the GED skin shocks and there are independent reviews done by advocacy groups, psychiatrists and there is a court hearing before any child or adult can receive skin shocks.


Citation please


Quote
The average person residing at the center does not receive skin shocks at all and the ones that do receive skin shocks average one shock per week.

Citation please


Quote
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Ughhhh....truly despicable.

The citation was in the video.  They have interviews with patients, parents and they talk about the process that is used.  It gives us all a different side of the issue.  


So, in other words.....you don't have any.  Ok.
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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2010, 04:23:15 PM »
Did someone say Ireland? I have peeps in Ireland. How can they be of assistance in this case, Anne?
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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2010, 04:28:14 PM »
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Did someone say Ireland? I have peeps in Ireland. How can they be of assistance in this case, Anne?
-DP
p.s.who is Turley,and why do I recognize that name so much?

see: http://http://www.mindfreedomireland.com/new/
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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2010, 04:35:17 PM »
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So, in other words.....you don't have any.  Ok.

Sorry, I guess the link didnt go thru.  Here it is again:

Youtube showing a more positive side to this Center

This video has interviews with patients and parents and outlines some of the procedures that are used at the center.

A couple of facts I found interesting:

Many kids opted to get the GED skin shocks and there are independent reviews done by advocacy groups, psychiatrists and there is a court hearing before any child or adult can receive skin shocks.


The average person residing at the center does not receive skin shocks at all and the ones that do receive skin shocks average one shock per week.




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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2010, 04:39:43 PM »
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I am disabled and found this video troubling to watch.  There was scene with Janie C that really bothered me.  She was pulling on her hair, slapping herself in the side of her head and lying on the floor banging her head without staff intervention.  That, in my opinion, was highly unethical.  There was also another case where a child bit half another staff members nose off!  These disabled children need allot of help. What kind of help do you people propose?  

I agree with you,Joel, and that is why many of these kids were transferred to the Center.  It would be a shame to have to have these kids restrained and medicated all day long and they cannot just be left alone like that.  That is a very low quality of life to live in my opinion.
I am not sure what other options would help these children/people.



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