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Scary John (AKA John Ashcroft) and IBLP
« on: September 15, 2003, 11:43:00 AM »
Dear folks,
  It has come to my attention that several different people w/ interest in several different Synanon based juvenile behavior modification outfits have decided, quite reasonably I think, to take their concerns to the US Atty. General, John Ashcroft.

  In the interest of saving time, trouble and heartache, I want to try and pull these folks together with some other people who have been dealing for years with a totalitarian cult with some significant ties to Scary John's church, Assemblies of God.

  Here's my problem. Some folks around here get very offended over piety and religious speech. I get that. I don't even blame ya'll. Often enough, I have to walk away and come back because there's just something about most religious discussion that just triggers a bad response in me. That's why I don't usually join in.

  On the other hand, most (if not all) of these folks who are concerned about IBLP would most certainly take offense to some of what goes for polite conversation around here. I did spend a couple of months reading and posting to a Gothard list and, you'll be proud to know (or not) that the only time the moderator called me down for anything it was for forgetting to pare down my responses to only quote the relavent parts of the messages to which I was responding.

  Now, all that just to lead up to this. Anyone who's interested in any potential effort to get Scary John to investigate WWASPS/WWASP, Elan, Straight descendant programs or any of this stuff ought to take a little time and read up on IBLP, AOG Church and IBLP. There are some damned fine folks doing outstanding work to help and protect their Christian brothers and sisters (especially the little ones) from what they call spiritual abuse at the hands of this very powerful but low profile cult. They WILL take offense at rough language and, like anyone else, they do NOT want your views and advice on their religious beliefs unless they ask for it (even then, like anyone else, it's a matter of being careful what you ask for)

  So here's an archive of posts regarding IBLP. There is contact info, proper names and a lot of good leads in this material. I hope some of ya'll will look this stuff over and make some friends. I think that if we're going to get any action out of the Federal government on this, we're first going to have to bust the AG for conflict of interest and, likely, aiding and abetting these torture chambers.

http://www.liberty1st.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=58

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2003, 12:03:00 PM »
Overview:
http://www.liberty1st.org/cfirst.asp

Brother JEB! links:
http://www.rickross.com/groups/gothard.html

The Indy center link:
"The News 8 I-Team has learned new information in a state investigation into allegations of child abuse at an Indianapolis juvenile facility. The I-Team broke this story back in February."
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=793028

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2003, 01:45:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 13:37 ]
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2003, 02:13:00 PM »
Hey, Karen,
  Yeah, there's more to it. I sort of gave up on the IBLP issue some time ago because it's just so difficult to build bridges between very devout, conservative Christians and our rowdy crowd, regardless of how much or how important common ground we share.

  Ashcroft has always been a strong advocate for treating and charging juvenile delinquents as adults. You think OP and the prayer room is bad for kids? Try being a pretty, skinny little white 15yo in the general polulation at most State prisons! It's sadistic as hell, what this guy does.

  I do NOT know for a fact that John Ashcroft has any direct ties to IBLP, Character First!,  ALERT or any of these organizations. I do know that the AOG church has longstanding affiliations with both John Ashcroft and these organizations and that Indy Mayor, Stephen Goldsmith (who brought the Character Inn IBLP center to downtown Indy some years ago) also wound up with a cabinet level appointment in the Büsh admin.

  I'm satisfied with the prediction that we'll sooner get Scary John to quit sending DEA agents to arrest parapalegic medical marijuana patients than we'll get him to take any serious action against faith-based child hate groups like WWASP. If enough of us who are coming at this same group of people and organizations can recognize the problem, I think maybe there's a good cause for kicking Scary John out of the game for conflicts of interest.

That's an outrageous thing to say about a sitting AG wrt this kind of sadistic child abuse. But I think it's also true and we'll have to make the case to get him out of the game if we're going to get any kind of meaningful Federal action.

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2003, 03:16:00 PM »
Antigen wrote...."faith-based child hate groups like WWASP."

 :???: WWASP schools are not faith based, nor a child hate group - Maybe Straight was??
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2003, 03:45:00 PM »
Do you care to offer some basis for your statement? Cause Narvin says he's working for God and there's no question that they treat children hatefully.

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2003, 09:54:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 13:39 ]
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2003, 10:31:00 PM »
Karen, I don't know what the right course of action might be. I just know that it's going to take a whole lot more of us waking up to what's going on to make things right.

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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2003, 10:41:00 PM »
The only way to get rid of Ashcroft is to get rid of Bush, not that that's any great sacrifice.  Let's hope one of those democratic candidates shows some kind of leadership potential for a change.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2003, 01:40:00 AM »
Hey - Berryman - What is stopping you from running for a public office?
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