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How many deaths have occured at Aspen Ed programs so far?
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Joel" ---2005-2009: 4 (SUWS, Aspen Achievement Academy, Youth care and Sagewalk) > Sounds like Aspen programs are safe to me Whooter. How ya' gonna spin it this time Whooter?
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There are Aspen programs which are having serious problems, but taken all together Aspen facilities are among the most safe.
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Which ones and what are the problems?
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Sagewalk, which just had a child die last year and then there was another program under Aspen which lost a child a year or two ago. I think anytime a program loses a child within their care it would be considered a problem. Until root cause is identified and they put appropriate changes in place I would still consider the program has having problems.
But, also, if you look at the Aspen facilities as a group they are doing well. Thousands of at-risk children are getting the help they need and are being turned around. so they need to keep chipping away at the problem areas and reducing the risk to zero.
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Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Whooter:
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--- Quote ---Whooter wrote: There are Aspen programs which are having serious problems
Can you be more specific Whooter? Please elaborate on the problems Aspen programs are having.
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The end result of the problems were deaths of innocent victims Whooter. Please elaborate on the problems which lead to loss of life at Aspen Education programs.
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Go look the info up yourself. All the info you need is right here in the fornits database or over at caferty. Have fun!
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Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
wdtony:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---2005-2009: 4 (SUWS, Aspen Achievement Academy, Youth care and Sagewalk) > Sounds like Aspen programs are safe to me Whooter. How ya' gonna spin it this time Whooter?
--- End quote ---
There are Aspen programs which are having serious problems, but taken all together Aspen facilities are among the most safe.
--- End quote ---
Which ones and what are the problems?
--- End quote ---
Sagewalk, which just had a child die last year and then there was another program under Aspen which lost a child a year or two ago. I think anytime a program loses a child within their care it would be considered a problem. Until root cause is identified and they put appropriate changes in place I would still consider the program has having problems.
But, also, if you look at the Aspen facilities as a group they are doing well. Thousands of at-risk children are getting the help they need and are being turned around. so they need to keep chipping away at the problem areas and reducing the risk to zero.
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I don't think it is appropriate to call it "a loss of a child" or write "when a child is lost" when these kids have been killed due to what appears to be criminal negligence. These kids weren't "lost" they were basically murdered. There is a loss of life whenever anyone is killed or murdered but you don't hear the news anchor say, "there was a loss of life today when police shot a man during a drug bust". They say, "a man was killed". Your language is detracting from the importance of the problem and dismissive.
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