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Re: Finally The Truth comes out
DannyB II:
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DannyB II:
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SEKTO:
Danny:
It seems you are only here to undermine threads by causing conflict etc.
Such a person posting on a message board is often called an "Internet troll."
Remember that the purpose of an Internet troll is often to subvert a thread, e.g. chase people off.
Nobody here is going to allow that to happen.
http://www.flayme.com/troll/
DannyB II:
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "SEKTO" ---Danny:
It seems you are only here to undermine threads by causing conflict etc.
Such a person posting on a message board is often called an "Internet troll."
Remember that the purpose of an Internet troll is often to subvert a thread, e.g. chase people off.
Nobody here is going to allow that to happen.
http://www.flayme.com/troll/
--- End quote ---
Found this blog talking about the same things. Interesting.
http://donewithaa.wordpress.com/2009/07 ... -any-more/
..................Frankly, I’m tired of the Step Community at large defining the terms of the discourse & weighting it so that they always come out as martyrs. Reasoned critique is not ‘bashing’, nor is personally expressing a well-founded opinion based in evidence & experience indisputable proof on an ‘Anti-AA’ movement.
It’s time to start speaking plainly about these issues in language that anyone can readily understand. Personally speaking, I believe it’s time to put an end to allowing legitimate criticism & calls for evidence being labelled as ‘bashing’ or ‘anti’ anything. The linguistic rules of this discourse are as follows: English as it is defined in dictionaries & in common usage. No more AA-ese, thank you.
.............I am not ‘Anti-AA’.
I am not an ‘AA basher’.
I will not accept those labels & contend that they are personally insulting epithets employed by those sympathetic to AA and/or the 12-step model when they know or feel they are on the losing end of a debate. Just like Jason Schwartz did when he couldn’t argue Maia’s points on the issue cited above. Instead of addressing her points, he sidesteps them by pointing out that the article’s author wrote a book on controlled drinking & that another individual (explicitly mentioned no where in the original article) is a staunch opponent of ‘evidenced-based therapies’ & the 12X12 movement in general.
..............Philosopher Daniel Dennett says it best in his roundtable discussion with Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, & Sam Harris (available on YouTube: http://tiny.cc/po1lZ ). In describing how he tried to be accommodating to religious sensibilities while writing his bestseller “Breaking The Spell”, Dennett found that no matter how much he tried to soften the language the response was always either insult or rebuke.
“It’s a mug’s game,” he says of his attempts at being deferential to the sensibilities of the faithful — a no-win situation.
That, far more often than not, is the case when engaging ‘dialogue’ with the AA/12-step faithful. What might initially seem like civil dialogue or debate often devolves into muted anecdote & sidestepping issues of evidence (best case) or full-on logical fallacies piled one on top of the other, sprinkled with a few (sometimes fabricated) Big Book quotes or homilies, and a handful of ‘loving, tolerant, god-conscious’ personal insults.
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