Elan apologists disrupt, create chaos and spread lies and ve

[Anonymous]

During most of the 1970's Elan was about half poor kids. That doesn't matter anyway. This whole place has gotten too sick. I can't stomach it anymore.

[Anonymous]

LOOK YA SNOTTY ASS BICTH WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO CALL ME AN INDIGENT! HOW THE HELL DO YOU THONK YOU ARE! GET YOUR FACTS STRIGHT  THEN COME BACK AT ME ! I AM THE BACK BONE OF THIS FUCKIN COUNTRY AND WITHOUT PEOPLE LIKE ME YOU WOULD BE NOWHERE! AND WITH THAT YA CAN KISS MY HARD WORKING ASS AND THAT OF MY HARD WORKING FATHERS TOO GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Antigen]

Kim, I don't think this ever happened at Straight, but Elan once had contracts with some state child welfare agencies. From a couple of states away, it probably looked like a good bargain; whatever the fee they charged covered housing, food, education and whatever. The PR was probably worth more than the fees, but then indigent kids are damned easy marks, so I guess it ballances out. Any of the rich kids might go home, make up with their wealthy parents and sue the pants off of Joe Ricci or even press criminal charges. The state agency wouldn't do that; they'd more likely sweep it all under the rug as it would be a big embarassment to them.

At one point a state agency did act on complaints. I think it was Illinoise, but could have been some other. They sent inspectors out to look the place over and, almost immediately, took all of their charges out and quit sending any more. The cult responded, if memory serves, by rallying a couple of the CPS agencies they had more firmly in their pockets to speak for them.

Typical...

[Anonymous]

Well I can see you just dont get it, and then again whats to be gotten? Seems to me you all sit around on your high horses telling people who or what they are. I was there when the state of IL came in for your info did a interview with then so get off it ya wernt there and dont have a clue just what may have been fed to you! Indigent interesting word guess if it makes you feel better to use it so be it. I was trying to make a point that all who went to elan were not rich kids as that seems to be the tone over here. Iam also not indigent just your everyday blue collar worker like my father before me many of people from elan have done very well and ya know what so have I. I do however resent your condesending attitude and really wish you all would know what it is your talking about before you spout... Theres another post on here that said its all relevent and I must agree the real world will kick your ass much more then elan ever could and ya know what ya deal with its life not fair but its just how it goes...

[Anonymous]

A subtle golf clap from harborside for that post!

This anon thing really confuses some people..apparently I was the one who wrote the "dans wife "post and then some hostile bitch goes off on me? now THATS entertainment
baby!

Oh and the genital mutilation thing...clever twist of play there..."context" ? Its clear to any monkey with an IQ of 7 that the context was to elaborate on a severe double standard that goes on in these boards...

If the people here who Dan and Ginger and every other "save the children" self serving bimbos say are "brainwashed" and cultivated from bad soil...are we not worthy of help too? Just because we deny we need any?

Tell me not to say "shit" without using the word SHIT!

[Publisher]

After watching this site for the past month---my point is proven...

Elan apologists, their lawyers and synchophants are a laughing stock.

[Anonymous]

Dan
You simply cannot adress a former Elan resident without a "problem" or veiw like your own, minus a label can you?

Reality is my freind, hundreds of Elan "kids" are out there now living normal productive lives. These people frighten you and threaten your worthless cause.

Many people dislike you Dan, MANY! and there is no label, title, or category you can give them that can change this. You are a liar, and an opportunist who thrives on support for your feelings of hate for Joe Ricci.

If you had a shred of decency, or even a hint of reality, you would understand and appreciate that there are a majority of people who went through Elan who have no desire to reflect on the experience, no need to anylize it, and far more productive things to do with their time. But at this point, you categorize them, you label them, and you tell them "if theres nothing wrong with you as a result of Elan, your in denial" WHO ARE YOU to judge based on what indirect experience you have with Elan?? The ONLY people you have "interveiwed" are FAILURES...the ONLY thing you know about Elan is what people who not only failed Elan, but fail as a member of society in one way or another.
If my own child had the problems I had, and put me through the shit I put my family, and my teachers, my neighbors and the police through, I cant say I would send them to Elan without hesitation, and a 100% effort to find a different way...but knowing what I got out of Elan, I would be lead in that direction. And theres no "appologist" aire there Dan, just a REAL kid, with REAL problems.

Elan didnt CREATE problems for people who need your help to fix them,  it may have enhanced problems for kids, but your speaking to ADULTS dan with adult problems...Elan isnt an issue for them or anyone else but YOU anymore.
Get over it. Go away and leave these people alone, or interveiw EVERYONE who went to Elan, and share their overwhelming veiw that Elan did more good than harm, but both aspects couldnt be further form their minds.

Live your life looking behind you for the shit you stepped in Dan, and your bound to walk through another pile.

 Elanians read this post please.......

[Anonymous]

So Dan your wife is Sharon Terry?I remember her when I was at Elan.She was a corrupt old crusty "Been around the block with Joe Ricci, several times" whore.
She might not have participated in general meetings but she contributed corptness and covered up alot of bullshit that went on up there.

Dan did you know your wife slepted with Joe Ricci?They couldn't keep their hands off each other.So Dan the question I have for you is, How does it feel when you kiss your wife you taste what another man had for lunch?Or better yet, a corpse?

Your wife named the book "A duck in a rain coat". Do you know why?Do you know what it means?What it really means?
The duck was your wife.The rain coat was what she wore with joe during sex.Joe would shoot loads all over her and stain her cheap skirts so she wore a rain coat so Joe's loads wouldn't stain her anymore when she sucked him off

Read this post....................

[Anonymous]

Jesus Christ Anon, you just showed the true teachings of Elan in your last post.  Anyone who feels the need to spew that kind of venom at, not the person they are disagreeing with, but a family member of theirs is truly fucked up!!!!  Sorry, but that kind of anger can come from only one kind of place...a Synanon/Straight/Elan type of program.  Attack the person (or in this case his wife) because you have no "real" comeback for what he's said.  If you truly had a great experience at Elan and feel that you really got a lot out of it and it improved your life, great...but there are a LARGE number of people whom it virtually destroyed...they have earned the right to bitch about it...even 20 years later because it's that insidious that it affects people 20 years down the road.   You think Elan was great?  Fine, write about that all you want, but DON'T tell the rest of us that we just need to get over it and realize that it was what we needed.   I find it UNFORGIVEABLE that you would even CONSIDER subjecting your children to such humiliation, degredation, brainwashing and abuse... but then again, you're STILL brainwashed into believing that it was a 'good place' for anyone.  Healthy people can disagree without launching a personal attack on the other party and, as I stated at the beginning of this post, you just showed what you learned from Elan...you learned WELL.  You really do know how to hit below the belt, like they do, attack ANY criticism or sideways glance, like they do, and truly try and degrade another human being, like they do.  Congratulations...you've "Graduated" and proved to all of us who had any doubt about what Elan can "do for" someone that it really is nothing more than an abusive money making machine for the wealthy to drop their kids off to be "fixed"...thanks for the enlightenment.

 Then last but least read this post and you can see the unveiling of the truth, as this person shows his true colors. Classic sociopath ( spelling horrible I know LOL can't find dictionary). Anyway for me the clarity is awesome, I would love to talk w/ this person.

[Anonymous]

I tought I could almost identify but I found out I could not (LOL), my case was just delusional thinking. I had to start thinking in psychiatatric terms; my false believes or opinions had to be smashed because it was not substantiated by sensory evidence.
 Meaning they were kicking the shit out of me physically, emotionally, mentally and spiritually and I'm saying "YEAH I DON"T FEEL ANYTHING" as a matter of fact I need this to survive. Jesus Mary and Joeseph...............Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!