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Antigen:
Ladies, gentlemen and all them others,
   First, let me apologize for my extended absence. Sometimes life just takes you somewhere and you don't have the time to get around to the things you want to do. I also want to express my awe and sincere respect for the energy and stone cold stubbornness it has taken to keep this thing afloat through all the turmoil. Course, Psy has done an awsome job of admining through troubled times and Kelly before him and let's not forget all those who have kicked cash, service and good vibes too. I think what this thing is may actually be a community after all.

  Just lately, more than a few community members have been complaining about the perennial attacks on Art. At first I just thought it was the same ol'e same ol'e momentary frustration that occasionally amounts to a complaint or three, few demands and little, if anything else. Having looked over the New Elan Site thread and, in so doing, reeled my mind up with all the old history I no longer think this is just another momentary emotional outburst on the part of those complaining.

  Of course, all of it could be fiction. One never knows. But if half of what I'm finding out is well founded, boy you guys are some sick, sick bastards. I mean that sincerely. Whether you're doing it purely for sadistic pleasure or to obfuscate and prevent effecitve discussion of Elan, either way you're assholes!

  Now, please allow me to explain why I'm not going to edit, censor or ban any of it without a legit, legally binding, air-tight court order.

My first stop on this journey was, of course, http://www.elansurvivorsgroup.com/ Oh, the irony!   [attachment=0:2qa08dnp]formerlyfreewebs.jpg[/attachment:2qa08dnp]

This speaks to the legal reasons why I won't moderate. Formerly Freewebs, like most hosting providers, does moderate their content. As such, I guess they can't call themselves free any longer, wouldn't be honest. That's fine. I'm not trying to get webs to do as I do. They're about something entirely different that what we're doing over here. Wish I could make the money they're making, but there's just no commercial value to this content that I can find. If you think of someone who could benefit from advertising here without changing the above stated policy, PLEASE do not hesitate to give them my number!

On the question of ethics, what's fair is fair. If I chose to intervene on behalf of someone I happen to like, agree with or believe to be innocent then I would have to give equal consideration to them others. Meaningful criticism of the troubled parent industry and public sector gulags would very quickly become impossible because no one would be allowed to say anything unless they could prove it. I happen to believe that our argument can stand on it's own without my tipping the scales to prop it up.

For tactical reasons, folks, this is the primary purpose of Fornits right from the git go! We all have stories that are difficult to prove because they occurred behind closed doors with the only eye witnesses being slandered minors (in most cases) held by force and/or coercion and unable to communicate with the outside world. How in the hell can we find one another to corroborate our stories so that we can prove them if we can't tell those stories unless and until they're proven?

Removing that control on communication yanks the linchpin out of an important protection that these cults have enjoyed for generations.

Now what about the intellectual integrity of discussion and all that? Well, my dear fellow program vets, survivors and supporters, proud or properly shameful. I think it's evident to any outsider reading much content here that we are nearly all pretty fucked up cup cakes! Sorry, you just can't get an insider's view of something as horrible as brainwashing without risking injury from some of the mental shrapnel that so often comes poking out at the worst possible moment.

I've watched this pattern play out in real life and on these forums for decades now. Specifically, I've watched what seem to be the same individuals work the same scam using several different people as targets. Art's just the only one who keeps checking in once in awhile, or maybe they're hounding him irl a little more than the others. I don't know. But they keep after him.

I sincerely do believe that the attacks on Art are entirely baseless. This has been going on for YEARS now. What could possibly drive such devotion to making some stranger on the net miserable? Some think it's just cause Art gets so upset and, just like ill behaved grade school bullies, that makes it fun. But these are the same people hounding this guy over years, across many web sites, even funding and producing their own Art bashing sites from time to time. Could be that these people are just that completely damaged by their Elan experience. But it seems, by far and away, more likely that they're doing this for a specific purpose. Nothing personal against Art in particular. But he'll do cause he responds and that's all they need. But the purpose I believe drives this is to interrupt and prevent any meaningful discussion about Elan. I think they're true believers protecting their cult. It's an effective red herring maneuver. That would be the simplest explanation that fits all the facts.

Any way, though, that only works if you let it. So please, folks, there is a LOT of valuable content in this forum. You just have to look for it. And thanks to Dan for bumping good threads and to Felice for hunkering on this stinking pile of drek no matter what. You is one tough biatch, biatch!

Antigen:
Bossy, just so you understand. I wouldn't have deleted those posts. I try hard to keep my admin decisions out of the middle of any dispute and one tried and true way to shut down demands to intervene has been to let stand anything anybody wants to post about me. I'll join in a debate. I'll try, sometimes, to convince someone to retract something they've said about me. But I won't do it for them just cause I could and I won't demand that a foreign host do so on my behalf. But that's just me. I'm crazy like that.

I will edit or delete almost anything that anyone asks me based on one consideration and one only; vis a vis can I verify that the person making the request is actually the author of the words in question. Behind that, I think I've just successfully deleted artman11111 and all of his posts from the server at his request. So don't nobody go gittin' all `noided `bout dat, m-khay?

Anonymous:
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Antigen:
I'm not sure, but I don't think any of that content is easily recoverable. Also not sure if Felice would want to undelete it even if she can. This is her forum, she moderates so it's not my call. I certainly don't have any control over what Bossy does with her site, either. You'll have to answer that, bossy. The hosting provider will generally restore a site so long as the person who's complaining tells them they're satisfied with your response. As to how all that works out? Well now! Here's how I usually handle it http://fornits.com/dchfans. Other hosting providers have different policies.  ;)

RavingMad:
to me that is selective controlling and makes fornits unbelievable , felice is wrong 4 taking anything off, her art campiagn is know nortoriously through sites, now her new bonding with danny and jackson. personally the way it looks is felice is a major problem and to unstable to handle a forum. like when she deleted my post of concern for bossybee39's saftey, and mention people needed to give the woman peace because of a miscarriage she suffered. normal people would of sent condolences to her not called to slice her throat. bossybee39 is not in any form angry i said that either, and her response was very nicely put..of course that is missing too. maybe these forums need to be locked so people when they feel like it can not take anything off unless the administrator believes it is harmful. only way bossybee39 is coming back to fornits is if she runs her own forum topics. i know she has few good ones in mind. funny how art and bossy get into it and now focus is on that lady. did anyone meet her? i did man she is down to earth. has compassion. and wisdom. she may not have the fancy writing but she will stand for what she believes in all the way, not the wishy washy things that danny and felice try to suck you into. they bash ppl the most on these forums and cleaverly distruct lives. to think this morning i spoke to bossybee39, she asked me to refrain from causing harm to felice and danny. the ppl who fucked with her the most she has extended good tidings too. someone explain as to why she would even consider that in her heart. i picked a good role model of who to listen to and help guide me. bossybee39 had amazing news for so many but is now in hiding, guess only the spring will reviel it all for many that were on the honest journey. danny seems to ask people to spam the crap out of ppl's forums. felice is one way one minute the next somewhere in mars. i am sure she will delete my words here spoken today just to show she cannot handle being disagreed with. this monster felice has a serious background that boarders on criminal acts, why the hell would fornits allow her to spew her ideas her on fornits? is there no boundaries of the content exposure or the lunatic who can guide a forum so impartially? I believe when bossybee39 said she felt like she was in Russia she actually said it all right there. censorship and behavioral modification is wrong. it borders on insainity. the lady said some classy good things and the morons could not handle is so of course she had to be insaine, no offense but right now she is the only one making sense and Mark too. there is not some huge conspiracy out there, this is not the ufo sighting crap either. no jfk in sight. why is there no positive forums running like the straights. i will tell you why danny and felice will make sure it will not happen. they are the trolls claiming they have trolls destroying their own forums. does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that danny's little cult of danny followers come to his rescue every time. what is the man incapable of a fair debate? danny sends all types of ppl to attack others it is funny how felice tolerates this. some forum moderator. personally felice i think your a crayon or two short of a full box, your fruitloop fell a long time ago. I am with the others that think you standing up for children's rights is beyond insainity after your involvement with the system. claiming say things online and dcfs will come get your kids. you made threats to bossybee39 involving her children, you are sick and need to be placed in permant care facility. and everyone watch she will delete this posting as well. so read it fast before like everything it will be poof be gone.

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