Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Public Sector Gulags
New York State shutting state facilities?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Oh, we have been through that psy. there are plenty of studies to support that programs are effective. But the ones that are independent are rejected here on fornits because of a previous employment to the industry or the results are not found to be popular so they are discarded out of hand or the published paper didn't have a sample size that suited everyone. We all know the drill. So we can see that the only study to be accepted will have to be paid for by someone outside the industry and no one has volunteered yet. Cant blame the industry for that.
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Programs are rejected for several reasons. They are often rejected due to improper restraints, deaths, lack of medical care, poorly trained staff, lack of food, lack of water, poor living conditions, group sessions where children are forced to discuss personal issues, verbal abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, censoring mail, physical restraint paperwork watered altered, excessive consequences, poor supervision, low staff to student ratio, lack of contact with parents, short telephone calls, lack of sleep during "marathon workshops", forced medication, lack of program oversight, staff with criminal records, poor education and dirty mind control tactics. What studies are you referring to? You speak as if you are very familiar with the industry. Am I correct or incorrect Whooter?
wdtony:
Comparing apples to oranges and using logical fallacies doesn't equal proof. Mixing up different states and models with numbers that may or may not be accurate or using the same criteria seems awfully loose and fast to be considered factual.
It is possible to "improve" the public juvenile facilities without turning them into "therapy programs". I would say, first stop the abuses occuring in these facilities (by staff and other inmates) and then give these children some basic schooling and job training. Why would they need therapy? If you want to diminish recidivism, (long term, and not judging by a supposed 3 year outlook) take a look at what blombrowski has offered as possible solutions.
@exposecedu... I am an individual. I am not to be confused with any conglomerate or organization when it comes to my personal views and opinions. I do not represent HEAL and vice versa. Also, I have decided to resign my coordinator status at HEAL and, for now, will not be working with that organization. As for what HEAL people think, I cannot offer any suggestions. You would have to ask them personally, but do ask them as individuals and not as a group.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "wdtony" ---Comparing apples to oranges and using logical fallacies doesn't equal proof. Mixing up different states and models with numbers that may or may not be accurate or using the same criteria seems awfully loose and fast to be considered factual.
It is possible to "improve" the public juvenile facilities without turning them into "therapy programs". I would say, first stop the abuses occuring in these facilities (by staff and other inmates) and then give these children some basic schooling and job training. Why would they need therapy? If you want to diminish recidivism, (long term, and not judging by a supposed 3 year outlook) take a look at what blombrowski has offered as possible solutions.
@exposecedu... I am an individual. I am not to be confused with any conglomerate or organization when it comes to my personal views and opinions. I do not represent HEAL and vice versa. Also, I have decided to resign my coordinator status at HEAL and, for now, will not be working with that organization. As for what HEAL people think, I cannot offer any suggestions. You would have to ask them personally, but do ask them as individuals and not as a group.
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The Missouri model seems to be effective and strikes just the right balance utilizing therapy, schooling, job training and working to help ease their return into society and providing support once they get home. Whether you choose to call them therapy programs or TBS’s they seem to be very effective and are taking hold throughout the country and bear watching. Hopefully we can get some study results from the public sector which will help us to better understand how far reaching the success is.
I didn’t see where we were comparing apple and oranges. The two reports went a long ways to validate each other with both reporting return rates in the 70% range utilizing the old prison system and reporting 7 – 11% return rate utilizing the Missouri model. These are impressive numbers.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "exposecedu" --- What studies are you referring to? You speak as if you are very familiar with the industry. Am I correct or incorrect Whooter?
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Off the top of my head there was a study out of Colgate university and one by Canyon research...... A person who spent a year inside a program and wrote a book on his findings... and a few others. You wont find the studies to be a very popular topic here on fornits for many reasons. Yes, I have some experience with the industry but am not part of the industry or profit from it.
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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "exposecedu" --- What studies are you referring to? You speak as if you are very familiar with the industry. Am I correct or incorrect Whooter?
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Off the top of my head there was a study out of Colgate university and one by Canyon research...... A person who spent a year inside a program and wrote a book on his findings... and a few others. You wont find the studies to be a very popular topic here on fornits for many reasons. Yes, I have some experience with the industry but am not part of the industry or profit from it.
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Can you elaborate on your role in the industry?
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