Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Against Their Will?
Carey:
That was from me.
Anonymous:
Against Their Will - I 100% agree with getting help - WWASPS and other programs are the most effective, long term way to get this. You talk about abuse? Can't go along with that. The kids abuse themselves, sometimes physically with drugs, cutting, alcohol, unprotected sex. Other times they abuse themselves psychologically by manipulating their parents, peer pressure, not accepting discipline from parents, calling the cops because they know mommy and daddy will get their own form of discipline if they say they were being hit or abused - and no that's not just a wwasps term! I hear it from teachers and counselors too!
I hear a lot of accusations - but where are the facts? This board is saturated with accusations to steer parents away from real help. Go figure...nothing new. No program is perfect, no staff person is perfect. No parent is perfect.
If a kid is hurt, then hold someone accountable. If the kid made the stories up to come home, and THEY ALL DO TRY, then quit blaming the program and deal with the afterburn yourselves.
What I see is the same ol stories that have nothing to back it up but words. It sounds like the PURE people at it again...or not...but the same M.O. Turn your obessions to the juvenile justice system or the inadequate school systems that DO HARM our kids.
Deborah - your scenario is a joke. You had separation anxiety in whatever program your son was in - which you still have chosen not to share, by the way.
Against their will - go house break a puppy! Maybe if you pet it enough and calmly say no puppy,don't poop in the house, it will 'get it'- now that's funny!
Deborah:
*If a teen causes harm to another individual by say, crashing their car, while driving drunk, into that of anothers, then the parents can be held liable. Parents should have the right to seek help for their children, without their consent if necessary.
If the teen has a known drinking problem, then why does he have access to a car? Yes, the parent is and should be financially accoutable, teens rarely have income. But they can get a job and repay the parent for any damages that occured. Having a job may also give them less time to be bored stiff and finding ways to aleviate their boredom. I think requiring the teen to take responsibility in that way, might fall in the catagory of "help". A direct consequence of an action or behavior. Shipping them off does not teach that lesson. It's all in how you define "help".
Teens need to learn the realities of the world and their place in a social group. They can't do that while incarcerated and isolated from the world.
Deborah
Anonymous:
Deborah - you have all the answers. Are you teaching Parenting 101? What are those little ones you care for doing while you're on the computer all day? Maybe they're not old enough to talk yet? That's safe, don't care for someone else's child that can talk and get a burr up their butt and say you abused them or didn't feed them their afternoon cookie.
I would love to be around if you follow through with your talk of opening a program for troubled teens and then you get accused of what you are agreeing with on this board. :rofl: :wink:
Carey:
--- Quote ---But they can get a job and repay the parent for any damages that occured.
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Deborah, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. You can tell a teen he has to work to pay for the damage, but who is going to hire them if they are defiant and not willing?
--- Quote ---If the teen has a known drinking problem, then why does he have access to a car?
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Deborah, it is called stealing. Have you ever heard of it? It actually happens.
Quit thinking so simplistically and start thinking realistically. We all would love for our kids to take responsibilty, but that is the problem, they don't.
--- Quote ---Shipping them off does not teach that lesson. It's all in how you define "help".
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Personally, I don't agree with shipping them off. I think the parents who ship them off should be held just as accountable as those with whom they have been shipped off too, if abuse occurs. I think the parents should be considered neglectful and charged accordingly. Ultimately the parents are responsible for the well being of their child. It would be like charging the John who pays for sex along with the prostitute who provides the service.
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