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Anonymous:
Carey - I read somewhere, maybe here, maybe somewhere else that a "grandmother" with a child at Casa contacted the NY TImes. I may not have the facts straight, since its been a long time ago. Regardless, this book says a lot more to the writing style of the reporters. I don't believe a lot of what I read in newspapers or magazines, but this last article is clearly done in NY Times fashion.
Hamiltonf:
Ginger makes the point that no paper is entirely "objective" I agree. I was raised in England at a time (before Murdoch) when you knew for sure the type of politics of each national newspaper -- The Telegraph -- Conservative; The Times -- Conservative; the Daily Mirror (working class -- Labour); The Guardian -- Liberal; The Daily Express((working Class - conservative); The Daily Herald (Unofficial voice of the Labour Party); News of the World (Sundays only -- dealt with sex scandals -- prurient interest); The Observer - (now amalgamated with The Guardian was thought of as fairly Conservative); The Daily Worker (Communist -- oh the horror); The point is that back then in the 50's and 60's England had a vast array of points of view to choose from in largely independant newspapers. Pretty free & democratic, I think.
I always had the impression that most US newspapers and TV were pretty conservative -- NYTimes, Wall Street Journal, Herald Tribune. the Randolph Hearst chain
I was amazed, therefore, when CNN was starting up that it had as its premise that the existing media were all left wing and that THEY were the ones who were going to be objective!! Yeah right!
As I see it, the problem with all media is the concentration of ownership in fewer and fewer corporate hands world-wide. This is far more of a problem in Canada than in the US but it still boils down to the same thing -- he who pays the piper calls the tune, and whether individual journalists will admit it or not they all, eventually, tailor their stories to what they think the editorial policies will tolerate. For the gentle, critical reader it is difficult to read between the lines of most stories in the NYT because it purports to be "objective". But when Corporate leaders suggest NYT is left wing, I would submit that is simply because it is not parrotting the corporate agenda as they think it is supposed to. From my position as an outsider, I still see the NYT as slightly to the right of centre -- but then, in today's world, I see most Republicans as extreme right wing and Democrats as right wing. Looking at the US in a global context, I see the US since 9/11 as extremely reactionary and imperialistic -- almost fascistic (& Mel Sembler et al are indicative of this) The media, by and large as tends to foster this. When I see Pat Buchanan on the "socialist" PBS (as CNN supporters like to view it) it makes me want to puke. While I can read the book, I certainly do not see NYT as having any sort of "leftist" agenda. Just that the fulcrum has moved way over to the right.
"Zero tolerance" and the sort of treatment for Adolescents that are the focus of this site are indicative of how far right N. American Society has gone.
spots:
--- Quote ---On 2003-09-10 17:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Carey - I read somewhere, maybe here, maybe somewhere else that a "grandmother" with a child at Casa contacted the NY TImes.
--- End quote ---
You are probably thinking about me. Actually, I did not contact the NYTimes. I read the same request for info on strugglingteens.com as quoted earlier. The same day that appeared, I got a personal email from Tim, saying (in effect), "...I am a reporter from the NYT, looking for information on Mexican schools for US children. I understand [somebody told him] you have an interest also. If you would like to talk to me, give me your phone number...".
My response: HooBoy!!!! Would I like to talk to you. He called back almost immediately after my email, talked for more than an hour from Mexico City, and I started gathering my tons of info to UPS Overnight to him. We talked several times more, the last when he called to "boost your spirits" with news that the piece had been written and sent to editors in NY. He warned it may be 3 weeks before publication, but it was only 3 days. Editors must have known it was good.
When I sent his article (without comment) to my daughter, she then cut us off for the remainder of my kid's time at Casa. I didn't want to tell him that. I will call him and let him know that she is now out.
Tim Weiner is a very kind, intelligent person, and a very good reporter. We talked about his own wife and children, where he thought his own career was going. He was almost embarassed, then happy to answer me about what stories got him his Pulitzers. He told me facts about keeping children against their will and the repatriation process US State is "supposed" to offer, knowing that I wanted desperately to free my grandaughter from Casa. Lots of very good talk. I appreciate conversing with good intellect, and I feel he respected me as well.
MelissaR:
I still think he's a pussy and WWASP scared him into submission on the Spring Creek Lodge story. Argue with me if you must, but he really ate shit on that one. It totally pisses me off because, like I've said before, people make SCL out to be the "good" WWASP program, and I have a feeling they're going to escape persecution when all is said and done. I swear on my mother's grave that Spring Creek Lodge is just as detrimental to the overall welfare of teens as Tranquility Bay is. Although Tim may be a fine reporter and well deserving of the Pulitzer, he's got zero balls. I want to be a journalist myself, and this type of thing makes me ashamed of the industry. Like I've said before, his job is to report the unbiased news, not some sugary story about WWASP to save his ass for the last one. For those of you who thing journalism is purely sensational, please tell me what in this SCL story is exciting by any means? This story was not written to grab readers attention, and sell newspapers...you people need to see that. The purpose of this story was to retain this man's job. Obviously.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Carey wrote:
"Deborah, that does not answer my question. I am asking how he found out about these places and/or why he chose to write about them.
He wrote:
I am visiting several schools for struggling teens in Mexico this week and next.
Do ya think Lon or Jena would have allowed the post if it weren't truthful or accurate?
Is this another guessing games. Questions posed as accusations? How do you answer those questions?
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Deborah, he posted his name and email address on Lon's site after this parent contacted him. In other words, after he was tipped on the subject. You may not see this as important, and that is OK. I do. If you don't have the answer then don't try and answer the question.
No, its not a guessing game. It is a matter of getting to the truth. That is all. It does not suffice for me to just say "abuse, abuse, abuse" without knowing all there is to know.
If you see it as an acusation, I don't really care. People need to ask a lot of questions when it comes to this topic. No one person holds all of the facts and the truths. Not even you.
Spots, Tim was not refering to you. This was a mother of a child, not a grandmother.
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