Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
The Only Instance of Abuse "Admittance" by Staff of MBA
Troll Control:
Let me help you label Whooter. Let's look at his own words, shall we?
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Oh, boy. This quote probably goes further than any in the entire "indictment" of TheWho. This one is a zinger. You know how TheWho is always saying he "has no ties to the industry" or He's "just a regular parent"? Well, he he is admitting otherwise:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---
--- Quote from: ""RobertBruce"" ---Oh no no no Cindy, you claimed there was a "long debate" and that it was decided that "we" were only going to look at TBS's as you define them.
Who specifically is "we"?
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The debate was long, Bob... many wanted to start with "Wilderness data" and I argued that the real money was in the TBS industry, so lets start there, although wilderness is usually the inital phase of any decent TBS. So we went round and round....you, Bob have been a key player in collecting and presenting data on the entire industry and I have been focusing on small segments at a time.
I dont want to put names out there, people want to be anon's.
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Whooter is evidently an expert on "where the money's at" in the Troubled Teen Industry. Why would he try to pass himself off as something other than an industry guy? That's not honest at all.
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So, we can clearly see from Whooter's own words he goes to industry meetings to advise his industry peers where "the real money is, the TBS industry". What is his interest in where the money's at in the TTI? Why did he fly 1200 miles for an industry meeting about where the money is? Would any "regular parent" do this? Clearly, Whooter is part of the TTI. Specifically, he's John Reuben of STICC and he uses Jevenile Justice funds to put convicted kids from jail into Aspen programs to mingle unsupervised with more or less regular kids.
Don't be chased off, enola. Whooter has already been exposed, so we just need to keep reminding the newest readers that he's in the troubled teen business and that he's an unmitigated liar.
Seriously, what could be Whooter's explanation of the above quote? He never seems to address it (lols).
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "enola" ---.
--- Quote ---..and on top of that you are suggesting that I be labelled somehow to warn people about what “you” have decide I am. I bet you would be the first one to cry a river if you had to wear a sign around your neck in a program reading “Sociopath” or “Whore” etc. . But this is your first order of business if you gained the power seat.
You seem to be no better than those you criticize in the program......Interesting isn’t it?
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I already did cry a river with the label whore around my neck, with snot bubbles, swollen face, the whole 9 yards. I did the same with the word worthless spray painted on a sheet wrapped around my body. The same when I sat at a desk facing the wall for 3 months...I am comfortably numb with labels.
Perhaps if you, yourself went to MBA, RMA, CEDU, ASPEN Ranch, etc., you would be numbed as well, as you would have endured not only the labeling of such words, the literal "wearing" of such labels, also the constant reminders of possessing these qualities by staff screaming these words to you, amidst 'profanity laced group sessions', staff encouraging your peers to call you such words, staff making you say these words, repeatedly to yourself in the mirror...staff, adults, of whom you are expected to trust, staff of whom you are expected to assume that everything they say is true, staff of whom you would never question, whether it be context, intention, authority, knowledge, training...
Sociopath is a perfect cloak for you, based on your words and actions on this board. Just like staff assumed worthless and whore where the perfect cloaks for me, at 12, based on what little they knew of me, using key points as ammunition--adoption, molestation, strained relationship with parents. You are obviously a cold, apathetic individual, in whatever your truth is. Whether it be the story you insist upon telling, that you have or had a daughter in one of these programs, that you are the grieving father of a son of whom went through one of these programs and died of an overdose, or just an industry official paid to be on these boards for damage control. I don't believe I need to spell out each individual instance. If you are the 2 former descriptions, feel free to PM me, and I will explain. But I am leaning more toward a lowly paid employee of whom the Industry hired to come on boards like these and turn attention away from the testimonies and truths of past students. You are probably paid a sad salary to come on here, picking your own disguise, for the sole purpose of wrapping your cold arm around a questioning parent, turning them away from reading the experiences of past students, most those experiences being horror-filled, and proverbially saying, "Come, come over here, let me show you the wonderful swimming pool we have."
Any of the 3 scenarios of your "truth" would point toward you having no conscience, an empty soul, and/or severely in need of therapy. But not tough love, as we went through. That would most likely turn you into a crazed lunatic. Perhaps you just need a hug, and a snot-bubble-filled crying session.
You seem to be very good at your job. From what I have seen, you have successfully turned attention away from students' pain filled postings, and into a Whooter bashing session. Bravo. If you are not a Sociopath, you certainly play one well here.
And as such, the above will be the last quote of yours I will use. I suggest others do the same. I came to this forum to express myself. To express my pain, for comfort from others and to comfort others.
However, if you or someone like you are going to portray the buzzing bee in the room, I can just find somewhere else to go. So you won. Congratulations. I hope you give yourself a big pat on the back. I'm sure you have driven many others away. You have done your job well. Just realize that those who see this and those you drive away eventually end up finding each other, "in droves", and take action on another platform, i.e. The Press, as in bad press, as in the worst nightmare for the Industry. Thank goodness for copy and paste. We can use you, with all your posts, as an appetizer of the ugly truth that is the abusive Troubled Teen Industry.
The money will eventually run out, and you, just as Alex, Bill, Sharon, and all of the others, will be "standing in the unemployment line", just like 80% of the rest of the country.
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Enola, dont let thewho drive you away. Try the CAN forum. Its filth will be deleted there.
Whooter:
Enola, Just be a little cautious about what you read here. If people don’t provide a link to the original post then it may be a fake in an attempt to make someone look bad. It happens all the time.
See the post below as an example of what can be done.
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---
--- Quote from: "enola" ---
Sorry for the negativity towards MBA. I just get frustrated sometimes and say things I don’t mean. The time I spent at MBA has been a tremendous help to me. They helped me to work out my issues, which without MBA I could have never accomplished that on my own
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I understand,enola, I was helped at RMA too but I use fornits as a sound board to vent sometimes. We are all human. Hope you enjoy it here. Don’t let Whooter run you off. Besides him we are a good bunch of people who support each other.
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So unless the above post can be traced back to an original with your avatar then it could be a fake (which the above one is).
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Don't believe Whooter's ficticious story about his 'daughter.' It has been well established that WHooter in fact had two sons, one killed himself after being forced into SUWS and ASR, the other estranged himself from Whooter and de4clared he believed Whooter was complicit in the death of his wife (the boy's mother) while the bot was locked up at HLA.
Whooter wants people to believe he's just a 'regular parent,' but lookee here:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Oh, boy. This quote probably goes further than any in the entire "indictment" of TheWho. This one is a zinger. You know how TheWho is always saying he "has no ties to the industry" or He's "just a regular parent"? Well, he he is admitting otherwise:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---
--- Quote from: ""RobertBruce"" ---Oh no no no Cindy, you claimed there was a "long debate" and that it was decided that "we" were only going to look at TBS's as you define them.
Who specifically is "we"?
--- End quote ---
The debate was long, Bob... many wanted to start with "Wilderness data" and I argued that the real money was in the TBS industry, so lets start there, although wilderness is usually the inital phase of any decent TBS. So we went round and round....you, Bob have been a key player in collecting and presenting data on the entire industry and I have been focusing on small segments at a time.
I dont want to put names out there, people want to be anon's.
--- End quote ---
Whooter is evidently an expert on "where the money's at" in the Troubled Teen Industry. Why would he try to pass himself off as something other than an industry guy? That's not honest at all.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---I argued that the real money was in the TBS industry, so lets start there...
--- End quote ---
That one quote really says it all, doesn't it? The 'regular parent' argument is totally false (Whooter is lying). Plus, 'who' spends five-plus years on a survivor message board trying to do damage control for programs, especially ASR and HLA (both confirmed to be abusive and HLA sued out of business).
Whooter's lame, fake, 'life story' just doesn't paass the smell test, folks.
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So, because this can be traced directly to Whooter's [aka "TheWho" before he agreed to auction his account off and QUIT POSTING ON FORNITS, which he lied about - surprise, surprise] "avatar" it is therefore TRUE. Whooter is an industry man.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "enola" ---Actually, I have been reading some--ok, actually way too many--of his posts, and I appreciate his comments. It only proves my opinion (along with many others) that these people, are sociopaths http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopathic_personality_disorder , incapable of feeling remorse or guilt, from most of the staff who run these programs to the money-hungry corporations that control them. In fact, ASPEN is a branch from Mitt Romney's CRC Health (see http://http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091115/NEWS0107/911150428/-1/rss )
"CRC Health
In 2006, Aspen Education Group was purchased by the even larger CRC Health Group, an arm of the Mitt Romney-founded private investment firm Bain Capital Inc. Since the merger, though, CRC's performance has been lackluster."
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There's actually quite a bit about Aspen / CRC Health / Bain Capital connections that are distributed throughout the forum, though not so much recently... Two threads from amongst the many:
Big Fish CRC Trawls The Waters
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23141[/list]
BAIN CAPITAL - Why Should You Care
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23153[/list]
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