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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2003, 03:54:00 PM »
Paul when were you in daytop ?

The reading goes quickly .

my father is South African,  (this too is in the threads on this site some where.) I have only seen family pictures of the falls.

Day top is where Ricci got his idea for elan .He never graduated from there ,but went on to form elan using those ideas .He use to tell us how lucky we were that we weren't in daytop because of this or that ,and then b4 a short time you would see the this or that happen as how he had described .


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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2003, 09:00:00 PM »
not to mention the fact that every chance he gets he seems to mention Duck in a rain coat. kinda like a word from his sponsor or some kinda commercial. I've spent allot of time reading old posts here and in time to close the doors... and they for the most part seem to be a type of ad for this book. written by someone else. but published by him it says. I dont know matt. this is what i see, but his help with getting email adresses of both st an federal officials is awesome, notice how he throws in Duck in a raincoat reporters emails to send info to as well? Maybe the elan staff that post anonymously can tell me whats up with this guy. This isnt to be mean, but Dan wont tell me about himself. Just he is on some tropic isle and wants to shut down elan. I would love to talk to you some time dan and clear this up, it's just a curiousity of mine, especially if you want us to share stories of elan with you.
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2003, 08:20:00 PM »
So i guess no one knows who this guy really is?  I dont think he is even a real publisher, i cant find any publishers with his name. Just some lady with the same last name, so i guess Dan is just trying to make some easy money off our stories. Nothing more then research for him??? I'm gonna have too just guess here since he wont talk, (w/o pushing that damn book which has probably 1 paragraph in it about elan).
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2003, 04:21:00 PM »
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On 2003-09-13 12:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Paul when were you in daytop ?



I was in Daytop from like 94-95.  I was onlly there about five months, though.



The reading goes quickly .



my father is South African,  (this too is in the threads on this site some where.) I have only seen family pictures of the falls.



Day top is where Ricci got his idea for elan .He never graduated from there ,but went on to form elan using those ideas .He use to tell us how lucky we were that we weren't in daytop because of this or that ,and then b4 a short time you would see the this or that happen as how he had described .



We always use to hear the stories about how lucky we were not to be in Daytop, back in the day.  Ricci sounds like a real dick.. not to mention unstable.





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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2003, 11:03:00 PM »
is this a conversation u had with dan, paul?
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2003, 12:28:00 AM »
No..

It was my reply to Matt.. I have actually never spoken to Dan, yet.. Perhaps, I should at some point?

Syn, you said that this book that his wife wrote had only a small portion of it about Elan.  What is this book, primarily, about, I wonder.. You have read the first few chapters?

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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2003, 08:59:00 AM »
yeah i have the first seven chapters. thats all he gives out. It's only about Joe Ricci. nothing else really.  I dont know what Dan's beef is since he doesnt seem to want to share anything about himself. he only wants info from any elan survivors who will give it to him.  Very shady individual.  I dont think he is a publisher though.  Most publishers have web sites, and have published more then one book.  Dan is pretty much full of shit and i would like to know why he comes here and to jackie's site preaching the evils of elan when he was never there, he is just researching for his wife i think far away in the islands.
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2003, 07:43:00 PM »
Dan your wife is an ugly whore, and needs to be incarcerated for prostition.Dont buy Dan's book, he is a fuckin mental case and a god damn cock sucker....
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2003, 08:01:00 PM »
I used Dans stupid book as toilet paper, talk about a worthless read.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2003, 01:08:00 AM »
Dan your not a publisher.  I have figured it out. you are a complete bullshit artist.
and an apologist. Your the reason many went through elan. you pushed the damn program on kids for your own personal profit, then used your pimpin money to get a place in the islands and hide.you have no place telling of the evils of elan when you are one of the people who pushed the program to so many hurting parents.
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2003, 12:00:00 AM »
yeah---you think I'd know better..jeesh...is that the best sinister can do?

I survived a ricci onslaught!!

Dan :smile:

surviving meaning fleeing the country and pretending to be a publisher doesnt even compete with us elan survivors. Not even close Dan.
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2003, 12:39:00 AM »
I don't think Dan's trying to compete with Elan survivors, Syn.

Look, Ken and some others always push this myth that having been in Elan makes you utterly unique. I don't buy it. Joe Ricci was no genius, he just cribbed from Daytop, Synanon and who knows where else and took advantage of people's irrational fears. He was nothing special, just another sadistic little weasle. If it hadn't been for his astounding luck having lived in a time when you can get away with murder if you do it in the name of saving America's youth from the scourge of drugs and rebellion, he would have been just another anonymous wife beater; not even a footnote in history.

Dan, for whatever reasons, decided to make this book happen. I would recomend to anyone to read it first before trying to judge it's contents.

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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2003, 01:23:00 AM »
i did read it anti, and it does say alot about joe ricci, but dan is garbage.
i dont feel special having gone to elan, but i was there and he CANNOT tell me about the program, or anyone else who did for that matter.
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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2003, 01:00:00 PM »
Syn, have you ever read up on any of the other programs? I'm not talking about corporate ties and stuff, though I am interested in that. I'm talking first hand experience.

I just read a post by Matt earlier in this thread about the shock of having all this horror forced to the fore when the Skakal case made headlines. I feel ya', friend. But you're not the only ones. For a lot of Elan people, the Skakal thing was an unwelcome trigger. For a lot of Straight and KIDS survivors, the Partnership for a Drug Free America ads have the same effect.

Around 5 years after I got out, I'm working in a screen print shop, putting heat transfers onto baseball caps. I actually liked this kind of work, though it never paid enough. Simple, monotonous tasks that my body could do with little supervision while my head went elsewhere.

So that's the state I was in, really good frame of mind, calm, mellow and pleased to be right where I was when I become vaguely aware of someone approaching from behind. Then this older male voice calls me by my given name in the same sort of condescending tone that Program executive staff and parents always used. For a split second, I thought they'd come to take me away and I reeled on the guy. I don't know if I had a fist raised or if it was just the look on my face, but this little turkey jumped about two feet! Then he handed me an envelope with a shaking hand, congradulated me on having been selected as employee of the month and then turned and ran back to the safety of the front office.

Now, I didn't have the roughest ride through the program. I only got beat up once for around 4 hours (some kids got it for days at a stretch, all day long) I only got sat on once for around two hours (same as above, some kids lived on the floor)

For about that timeframe, the first 5 years, I got arrested each and every time I got pulled over or had any contact with law enforcement. They always stacked as many charges as they could dream up only to drop them all except for the improper lane change or faulty equipment ticket or whatever and turn me lose the next day when they couldn't find any cause for my bizarre behavior.

That's because the cops in Broward when The Seed was big and in Pinnelas/Sarasota still to this day were all either program supporters or their supervisors were. Logically, I knew they just wanted to write me a ticket and I had nothing to fear from them. But I was utterly terrified of them, none-the-less.

All the wild panic was about what the place and the goings on there did to our heads. It was frightening. You watch people go from lucid to brainwashed zombies. You want to reach out and make friends, but you don't dare because they'll turn on you. And you wonder constantly whether you're really just playing along or whether maybe you're a zombie now too or soon will be.

There are slight differences in the way the Program is implimented under different names and in different locations. But there are an awful lot of similarities, too.

If it hadn't been the Skakal case, it would have been something else. You might have been watching some news magazine on TV about Dundee Ranch and found something unpleasantly familiar in the story. No one can tell you anything about Elan at the time and in the house where you were there. But you might actually learn a bit about it from folks who've had very similar experience.



I dont know or care about Dan Bosdorf's personal life. Frankly, most good journalists and writers are total crack pots in their private affairs. But I know this to a dead certainty. No one's going to shut down Elan by keeping to this little clanish group.

Some folks might well get a nice chunk of change out of Ricci's estate or some other source related to Elan. But that doesn't shut them down. That only feeds their martyrdome while they change their name, maybe their location and sometimes even rearrange the names on their board of directors list. It's happened again and again with Seed/Straight/Kids/LIFE/Growing Together/PFC/etc., ad nauseum.

It's not going to end, though, till the stories get out and those history buffs and compulsive documentarians, either those among us or those from outside, can comb through the details, connect the dots and arrange it all into some coherent insights.

If I am of the opinion that it is inexpedient to assign to the government the task of operating railroads, hotels, or mines, I am not an "enemy of the state" any more than I can be called an enemy of sulfuric acid because I am of the opinion that, useful though it may be for many purposes, it is not suitable either for drinking, or for washing one's hands.
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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2003, 02:04:00 PM »
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On 2003-09-07 11:16:00, nazi wrote:

"I found a posting by Clare tearing a new asshole into Dan.





Dan Bostdorf has our best interests at heart and other Myths

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 Some of you may remember me as I too shared the Elan experience. My name =

is Clare Woodman. I was a resident of Elan Eight from march of 1982 =

until my graduation in december of 1983. My experience was life saving . =

Period.

I am one of a handful of graduates that alongside a very talented group =

of degreed staff works to continue the Elan tradiiton of helping young =

people redesign their lives. I have been at it for close to 17 years and =

look forward to the future.

David , you know me , and I remember you. Despite whatever yours and =

others feelings may be , I tihnk it's safe to say that I have never been =

known to be anything other than upfront with anyone at Elan. Thus I =

present the following :



Joseph Ricci has absolutley NO intentions whatsoever of suing anyone =

other than Dan Bostdorf , this he made clear to him last night on the =

phone. Deanna , ( the admissions director ) will post more details on =

this tomorrow , but rest assurred , Mr. Bostdorfs assertion that Joe is =

going "suit" crazy is ludicrous.



Dan , I know you though you probably don't remember me. I was around =

during the Campaigning days.Now as then , you remain an abusive , =

manipulative, exploitive oppurtunist who has now managed to weasel your =

way into the graces of an Elan Graduate , Peter Moore , who will =

probbably lose his job for his mesrepresentation of the truth. You =

don't care , as long as you can rescusitate your ridiculous publication =

and the checks start rolling in. You're a You insult the intelligence of =

any free thinker that reads your posts. How is one supposed to respond =

to your most recent post regarding Joseph Ricci , should we "rally =

around you" and" forever be in debt" to you for your courageous way of =

pursuing "the truth". C'mon Dan , as you reside in the Virgin Islands =

enjoying the good life don't try to pretend that your one of "us" =

looking out for our "best interests"and yes,I earned the right to say =

"us" , which you're not one of and never will be.=20

I don't ever recall appointing you as my "spokesperson", the incinuation =

is an insult to my intelligence. Let's be real Dan , you've always been =

out for the almighty Dollar. You under estimate us "Elan" people to =

think that you can prostitute us for $14.63.Interesting , we bare our =

souls and you rake in the cash.......hmmmm. I find it amazing that you =

have found a way to "piggyback" your sleezy publication to the Moxley =

case.What poor taste. Eventually , people will catch on to your game , =

as usual , you'll wear out your welcome there and will have to move on , =

your only mistake is that now you've shown your colors on the interent =

for the world to see. "Continent jumping" won't solve that for you. =

What goes around comes around.......



As far as the articles from the 70's are concerned and the relevance to =

todays events , simply this :

David , you printed on this site either a direct excerpt or =

reconstitution of Bostdorfs publication as reflected in the credit noted =

on the bottom. While you feel you may be presenting the truth and only =

the truth , in this case you're mistaken. Just because it's in a book =

doesn't make it fact. Another glaring example of Bostdorfs exploitive =

abilities , he obviously doesn't care if you unknowingly misrepresent =

the truth after all his name is not on this site thus he has no =

exposure. And it's of little significance that you preface it with =

"according to prior residents interviewed for the book............" The =

outrageous assertions are disturbing , ridiculous and unfounded. The =

articles pressented to this site explain the end result of the =

investigations. Sure , the media is oftentimes innacurate , distorted =

and slants information but let's be real , as someone else wrote on one =

of the posts somewhere , if the assertions were true Elan would have =

been closed down long before your parents or mine ever had the =

oppurtunity to enroll us.



David , history on the site shows that you are most comfortable =

responding point by point to whatever is written. Please know that this =

post is not designed to attack you and if I fail to respond to your =

response it is not out of arrogance. Frankly this is the most I've typed =

in several years , it's not my strong suit thus , in all honesty I will =

not be quick to reply , anything lengthy that is. The only reason I'm =

doing this now is because , like everyone else here , I feel compelled =

to add my thoughts.



On a different note it was good to see David L and Dennis M entries in =

the guest book. It's always nice to hear how Elan "Alumni" are doing.

Ken , I don't know you but have heard alot about you , all positive. =

Jeffrey and I are good friends and he also speaks well of you . Your

latest post seems to add a breath of sanity to all of this.



Please try to overlook any grammatical errors, it's late.



Clare Woodman

Elan Graduate 1983

Lead Director (current)

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How funny how Clare mentions Elan being prostituted.Clare you are the fuckin prostitute, you FUCKIN WHORE!!!!!!!!
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