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Antigen:
For the record, they did this at Straight, but not at The Seed. The Seed only required parents attend open meetings and host newcomers in their homes when their kids were oldcomers. When the shit hit the fan in around `76 or so, The Seed went more-or-less underground and did not hang onto their Federal funding.
Straight came up with two open meetings per week w/ open meeting review which could last till 2 or 3AM easy and longer first phase (hence more months spent w/o proper sleep or any free time outside of meeting program obligations) None of us were sleeping more than 2 - 3 hours per night, including our parents.
Then there was the Parent Weekend, which they still do at SAFE, KHK, PFC and likely some others. Same song and dance. And you're right, they tell the parents that this is just what their kids are going through. But there are two major differences; 1) of COURSE they don't throw the parents on the floor and sit on them if they won't comply. and 2) at any given moment, the parents can decide to take their kids and step away from the lunatics. The kids have no such choice, no matter what, broken bones, serious illness, rape... doesn't matter. The parents are held captive mentally and emotionally for as long as they buy into it. The kids are held physically captive till they break down mentally and emotionally.
The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
-- Plutarch
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-09-09 06:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Run of the mill personal growth seminars use sleep deprivation etc... and have been linked with lasting psychological damage. "
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Just a thought to ponder: Why did Oprah have a series on almost identical seminars facilitated by Dr. Phil a couple of years ago? Only a handful of people thought he was being too rough, etc., the majority got a lot out of it?
Call it mass media brainwashing if you want to. I don't buy the brainwashing in the negative sense.
Antigen:
If daytime talkshow hosts serve as your moral and social benchmark, you've got some real problems. Are you one of those people who sometimes has difficulty distinguishing between soap opera characters and real, live people?
I highly recomend you switch to late night talkshow hosts like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher. At least they're somewhat intelligent and have some sense of reality.
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you Momma is a big fat's ________
--Leroy Brown
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-09-09 13:09:00, Antigen wrote:
"If daytime talkshow hosts serve as your moral and social benchmark, you've got some real problems. Are you one of those people who sometimes has difficulty distinguishing between soap opera characters and real, live people?
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No Antigen - you're assuming. I had been off work, out of surgery and read books most of the time, but did watch Oprah and enjoyed that series. It basically mirrored what I've read on the resource realizations site and what program parents say about it. It was just a question, No...television is not a chosen medium for my moral and social benchmark. Hey, maybe if I had watched in on Jerry springer you would have valid point!
Antigen:
Then the fact that Oprah endorses these seminars does not constitute proof of legitimacy, right?
So then.... why bring it up?
BTW, Oprah also did a series of promotional fluff pieces on Buffalo Soldiers. Of course, that was before director Charles Long II was indicted for second degree murder in the death of Anthony Haynes.
No one complained about the brutal treatment of kids as young a 9 at the time, either. As far as I know, Oprah has never issued any kind of apology or retraction of her endorsement of that death camp.
When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days. Times have changed. The gluttony has grown.
--Nick Navarro, former Broward, FL Sherrif
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