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DOJ Inquiry
« on: November 12, 2009, 06:38:39 PM »
DOJ investigators would like to hear from former CEDU staff members and students that may have had contact with Dr. Burnell Forgey (phyciatrist) or his "assistant" James Crummel.  Investigator Bill Gleason may be conacted through the California Department of Justice, Missing Person Unit at (916) 227-3290.

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DEATH ROW SERIAL MOLESTER CONNECTED TO CEDU
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2009, 07:44:56 PM »
DEATH ROW SERIAL MOLESTER CONNECTED TO CEDU
Thursday, NOV 12, 2009 The Alpenhorn News
Chuck Wyatt, Staff Writer



James Lee Crummel

California Department of Justice (DOJ) investigators are researching the possibility that serial child molester and child murderer, James Lee Crummel, 65 of San Quentin State Prison, had years of free, unsupervised access to the students at the now defunct CEDU School in Running Springs.

The CEDU schools in Running Springs were founded by Mel Wasserman in 1967 and promoted itself as an emotional growth-boarding school for troubled youths. Monthly costs to board a student reportedly ran as high as $3,500 dollar a month. The school closed its doors in 2005 amidst allegations of financial improprieties, allegations of sexual and physical abuse of the students, by other students and staff members and citations issued by the State of California for various violations. At a non-compliance conference, CEDU officials reportedly admitted that the rights of students under their care were systematically violated.

The current investigation is focused on the activities of Doctor Burnell Forgey and his reported assistant, Crummel.

Crummel, whose criminal history of violence against children dates back to the early 1960s, is on death row for a 2004 Riverside County murder conviction of 13-year-old James "Jamey" Trotter of Costa Mesa. Trotter disappeared over 25 years ago and his remains were discovered by a hiker in 1990 in a remote area off the Ortega Highway, but were not identified until 1996.

The hiker that discovered the remains and notified authorities was James Lee Crummel who lived on the same street as Trotter when Trotter disappeared. Investigators later discovered that Trotter would have to pass by Crummel's residence several times a day.

In that trial, the jurors found Crummel guilty of first-degree murder, and that the murder occurred while Crummel was committing lewd acts with a child, thereby making Crummel eligible for the death penalty.
         
After joining the Army in the early 60's, the 17-year-old Crummel was convicted of molesting two boys and a girl in Missouri, taking them into a remote wooded area where he tied the 11 and 13 year old boys to a tree and sexually assaulted them. Crummel was convicted of the crime and sentenced to prison. He was released in 1967.

In June or July of 1967, Crummel kidnapped nine-year-old Fred Clawson, who lived on the same street as Crummel, and took him into the Arizona desert where he sexually assaulted, then strangled him.

In April of 1967, before he was connected to Clawson's murder, Crummel had been tried and convicted of kidnapping and molesting a boy in Los Angeles County.

Nine months later, Crummel and his roommate moved to Wisconsin where Crummel took a 14-year-old boy into the woods, repeatedly beat him bloody with a tree branch and left him for dead in a ravine.  The boy managed to crawl out of the woods the following morning.

In July of 1981, 6-year-old Jeffrey Vargo was reported missing from his Anaheim Hills home. Vargo's body was found twenty miles away at construction site. Investigators reported that Vargo had been molested and strangled. To this day, Crummel remains the prime suspect in the murder.

In 1982, Crummel was invited to a neighborhood Halloween party. Crummel reportedly arrived wearing an alien costume and had glitter on his face. During the festivities, the host became concerned when he had not seen his nine-year-old son for some time. The father found Crummel molesting his son in the boy's bedroom. The irate father and other partygoers applied a liberal dose of "street justice" then called the police. The police report indicated that glitter was collected as evidence from the area around the boy's genitals.

In 1995, Crummel, who was living in Big Bear City, had been charged with fifteen counts of child molestation. Most of the charges had to be dismissed during the trial when the State of California Supreme Court changed the statute of limitations, and the window of prosecution had passed.

That same year, former nine-year-old Crestline resident Jack (JD) Phillips disappeared while watching a parade in Big Bear. Crummel just happened to live on the same street as Phillips at the time. Phillips is still listed as missing.

At the time of his last arrest, Crummel was living with Dr. Burnell Forgey, a psychiatrist with a practice in Costa Mesa, in Forgey’s Newport Beach condominium. In addition to his private practice, Forgey counseled troubled teens at group homes around Southern California.

Crummel was described as "a faithful servant, chauffeur, maintenance, and right-hand- man" to Forgey, now deceased.

In 1997, California State Investigators were notified that Crummel was accompanying Forgey when he would travel to the youth homes. State officials said Forgey described Crummel to group home staff as his assistant, but Forgey never informed the staff that Crummel was a registered sex offender and pedophile.

In 1998, Forgey confessed that he had engaged in oral sex with a 16-year-old patient while Crummel sodomized the minor. Forgey also admitted that he gave Crummel free access to his adolescent patients' files, took Crummel with him on his rounds to group homes and would leave him alone with young patients during his visits from 1990 to 1994.

Both men were convicted of child molestation and received jail sentences.

After Forgey confessed to taking Crummel with him to youth homes, State of California officials began examining records of psychiatrists used by group homes around Southern California. During the still-in-progress investigation, it was discovered that Forgey also practiced at CEDU in Running Springs.

In an exclusive interview with The Alpenhorn News, DOJ Missing Person Investigator Bill Gleason confirmed that Forgey was a contracted psychiatrist at CEDU, and it appears that Crummel also accompanied him when he visited CEDU.

It might have been a strange coincidence, Gleason said, but the number of runaway juveniles reported from CEDU always seemed to have increased just after Forgey had sessions at the CEDU campus.

Gleason said what the DOJ is examining now is the connection between Crummel being on the CEDU campus and the disappearance of then 17-year-old John Christopher Inman on January 16, 1993 and Blake Wade Pursley, aged 14, on June 26, 1994.

A third student, Daniel Ted Yuen, aged 16 at that time, disappeared from CEDU on February 8, 2004, but is not considered a possible victim of Crummel due to the date of disappearance, and subsequent reported sightings of Yuen.

Gleason said DOJ investigators would like to hear from former CEDU staff members and students that may have had contact with Forgey or Crummel. Gleason may be conacted through the California Department of Justice, Missing Person Unit at (916) 227-3290.


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Re: DOJ Inquiry (916) 227-3290
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2009, 09:23:21 PM »
Information on the now deceased pedophile psychiatrist Dr. Forgey who abused his patients and made his patients available to twice convicted child rapist and murderer (Crummel) as posted under the psychiatric and psychological crime watch report:
Sexual Rampage - The Psychiatrist and the Child Molester
Costa Mesa, Calif source: Orange County Register, February 4, 1998 and the Los Angeles Times, May 6 & 7, 1998
   Psychiatrist Burnell Forgey, 80, admitted guilt to 20 pages of allegations, that he was sharing his home with James Crummel, a career sex criminal who is suspected of killing a Costa Mesa boy, and took Crummel on rounds with him to youth group homes, where Crummel was allowed to roam free, left alone with the youths and given access to the youths' files. One of Crummel's sexual molestations was so violent he nearly beat a boy to death with a tree branch. He is now in custody on murder and sexual molestation charges, awaiting trial in San Bernardino County. Forgey is suspected of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old patient and having oral sex with him, while Crummel allegedly sodomized and orally copulated the boy. Crummel's rap sheet spans decades and includes a conviction of murdering a 9-year-old boy, which was overturned by a judge. Police are looking for other possible victims. Forgey surrendered his medical license after admitting that he was guilty as charged.
http://www.oralchelation.net/data/Psych ... ata18e.htm

More on Forgey as reported by the L.A. times.
Arraignment Postponed for Ex-Psychiatrist
By THAO HUA, TIMES STAFF WRITER|May 07, 1998
A municipal judge on Wednesday postponed the arraignment of former psychiatrist Dr. Burnell Forgey, who is charged with drugging and sexually assaulting a 16-year-old boy three years ago, a court clerk said.
Forgey, 80, of Irvine, who was represented by Deputy Public Defender David Swanson, briefly appeared before Municipal Judge Margaret Anderson in Newport Beach to ask for the delay, the clerk said. He is scheduled to be back in court May 28, when he is expected to enter a plea in connection with charges that he had oral sex with a teenage patient who was living at a home for troubled youths.
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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 11:36:04 PM »
I want to puke.  Really, I want to puke right the fuck now.

This is typical of CEDU to hire anyone with credentials, even if they are a monster like this fucker is.

Christ I hate that place and all their staff.  

I can NOT believe this shit. ::puke::
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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2009, 01:59:06 PM »
This was before my time, but I remember the investigation on the 14 year old.  The CEDU explanation at the time was that the 14 year old, who was physically and mentally disabled, went off in a snow storm.  There was CEDU speculation that his family picked him up and did away with him and were pursuing this investigation to cover their tracks...so typical of CEDU to not accept the responsibility for their own actions....Dr. Powell of Benchmark should know all about this; he was in charge of psych services then.  The 17 year old from the high school, supposedly left during a propheet by climbing out the bathroom window, but now that this has come to light ...HMMMMMMMM!  Again, typical of CEDU, I was told that he had gang connections, was a reall bad egg and probably disappeared into Mexico.  They are both probably lying deep in the forest somewhere.
I wonder if either family can sue  Powell or the Wasserman family for their horrendous hiring practices that ultimately ended in the disappearances of these two.
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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2009, 08:35:41 PM »
This is more than just sobering.

This is far far far more than just "see? I told you fuckers. So there."


This is absolutely terrifying. Horror movie terrifying.

I can't imagine how chilling this must be for survivors who were at RS when this was happening, to find out about this now. Holy fucking jeepers.

God, I hope some resolution can come from this regarding the missing kids.
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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2009, 11:49:57 AM »
This is mindblowing.

I find it highly plausible that this demon Crummel privately told cedu kids his house was a 'safe haven' should they ever decide to 'leave' cedu and provided them his address and phone #.

I googled the shit out of Crummel and Forgey but found very little.

What I did find was another sickening reminder of incompetence, arrogance, ignorance, negligence & maliciousness of the 'authorities' & 'professionals' who at the time claimed to be 'dealing' with the situation.

CEDU
- maliciousness & negligence Hiring 'qualified' psychiatrists who in reality, were evil incarnate, to meet the bare minimum psychotropic requirements to qualify for insurance $$$$ tuition assistance.    Profit driven, kool aid soaked motives that result in blatant violations of state licensing standards for therapy. AKA hire a bunch of untrained hacks and 1 or 2 sick fucks with credentials for pennies on the dollar in order to achieve maximum profit. Then tell the world that 'you've figured out how to live at 'life speed' and saved countless teen lives.

The 'Authorities'
-incompetence, arrogance & ignorance How the fuck did Crummel manage to carry on committing the most heinous of crimes for close to 30 years whilst a parolee of 'the system' ? The justice system (at every level)is inherently flawed and is in desperate need of a complete overhaul.

What a perfect storm. Incompetent parents, malicious/greedy TT programs and the justice system converge to completely demolish a child and in this case violate and murder them in the most disturbing way.

Proves the point that no matter what situation you are in you must think for yourself and never let a bunch of incompetent fucks with arrogant attitudes try to convince you that they are the 'authority' and they will 'fix you' because you are the 'problem'. They will tell you that their methods are 'professional', 'time tested' and superior. Any resistance is contempt and grounds for consequences.

To the few good apples within in the broken judicial system - you are bonafide heroes - thank you. I don't know how you find the energy to deal with the red tape, lack of funding and idiocy within your respective departments. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

If it turns out that Crummel did murder these two cedu kids we can only hope that the families of the deceased will relentlessly pursue action against the benefactors of CEDU for their intentional negligence, malpractice and licensing violations.
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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 01:04:23 PM »
Too bad we can't dig up Wasserman and Forgey and kill them all over again.
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James Lee Crummel
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2009, 11:30:49 AM »
To summarize, Crummel has been serially molesting children, sometimes also murdering them, since 1961 or 62.

He's the putz in the blue suit (re. pic below).

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PEOPLE You'll See In HELL
James Lee Crummel



In early 1979, young James Trotter had plenty to look forward to in life even though his parents had just divorced and he was living in a hotel while his mother was in between apartments. Despite the social and economic stigma the popular good looking kid with braces must have been going through, he had discovered that his friends would stick by his side no matter what. Thirteen is a difficult age too but the Costa Mesa beach kid was street smart and knew how to navigate his way through his urban environment. On the morning of April 19, 1979 "Jamey" grabbed his backpack and skateboard, told his mother he loved her and would see her that night, and headed out the door of the hotel room towards his bus stop. On his way to school he was murdered.

In May of 1997 James Lee Crummel was roommates with elderly psychiatrist and friend Burnell Forgey in an Orange County condo in the Newport Beach community. The condo was owned by Forgey's daughter-in-law, Madelyn Forgey. Crummel was being evicted by Madelyn and it was not because a group of investors were offering to buy the condo, which was true, it was because the group of investors were made up of Newport Beach neighbors and organizers camped outside the condo protesting after police had handed out flyers notifying the community that Crummel was a registered high risk sex offender.

Life sometimes can be so unfair. "I've been a model citizen." Crummel would whine to the Orange County Register, "I have done nothing wrong". Crummel would note he did not know where he could go and was open to donations. After all, Crummel was residing with a psychiatrist who worked with the troubled and counseled in youth homes. Why not give a man who was trying to positively work through his struggles an even break?

Later, in February of 1998, 80-years-old psychiatrist Burnell Forgey would confess that he had oral sex with a 16 year old patient while Crummel sodomized the kid. And that would be just scratching the surface. Forgey also admitted that he gave Crummel free access to his adolescent patients files, took Crummel with him on his rounds to group homes, and would leave Crummel alone with his young patients.

Bad enough right? How much worse could it possibly get? Obviously, this story is going to head into the direction that Crummel is responsible for the murder of Jamey Trotter, right? So, maybe you are wondering why I just don't get on with it? Because it is going to get much worse.

YouTube clip: (WARNING) Bad stuff Happens to good people "James Trotter" (7:47)

Let go all the way back to 1967. In February, nine-year-old Frank Clawson was found strangled in the dessert near the baseball diamond where he liked to play. A belt was around his neck, his shirt was pulled up, pants partially pulled down. Who could do such a thing to a child? Little Frank was in Cub Scouts and Little League. Five days later one of his neighbors, James Lee Crummel, suddenly decided it was time to move out of state and talked his roommate into moving with him.

In Wisconsin, a trusting 14-year-old boy accepted a ride home with Crummel from football practice. The kid felt he could take care of himself and was independent and as a paperboy was used to associating with adults, so what could possibly go wrong? After Crummel repeatedly molested the kid in the woods he beat him bloody with a tree branch and left him in a ravine for dead. The beaten boy managed to crawl out of the woods the following morning.

Crummel was arrested and was facing thirty years in prison. This turned out to be a stroke of luck for the molester for the simple reason that Crummel's roommate from Pima had snitched and told authorities that Crummel had admitted to him molesting and then strangling Frank Clawson with the belt. Wisconsin authorities assured the Pima County authorities that Crummel would get at least 30 years for the abduction, rape, and attempted murder of the 14-year-old, so Pima County did not pursue murder charges. For whatever reason, Wisconsin felt the case was weak and allowed Crummel to plead down to aggravated assault. Crummel was out in five years.

The five years in prison probably did not phase Crummel who, after having joined the Army in the early 60's, had been convicted in Missouri of molesting two boys and a girl in 1962. The two boys, ages 13 and 11 had been taken into the woods, tied to a tree and raped by the 17 year old Crummel.

in April of 1967, two months after the Clawson murder and nine months before the Wisconsin ordeal with the 14 year old , Crummel had been charged and convicted in Los Angeles County of kidnapping and molesting a boy.

In 1976 Pima County learned of Crummel's release from the Wisconsin prison years earlier and went looking for him with a vengeance and finally located him in Southern California living under the name Jimmy Savage with psychiatrist Forgey. In May of 1982 Crummel was arrested and charged with the murder of 9-year-old Frank Clawson. Unfortunately, Crummel's old roommate recanted his statement that Crummel confessed to him and refused to co-operate. Crummel was released.

Crummel returned to Southern California. On Halloween he was invited to a party. He showed up wearing an alien costume and glitter on his face. The host decided to check on his 9-year-old son and caught Crummel in the boy's bedroom molesting him. The father and other party goers beat the crap out of Crummel. As evidence, police collected the glitter found around the boy’s genital area.

Crummel was charged with the molestation and for failing to register as a sex offender. On the molestation charge, Crummel was found innocent in the third trial after having split juries on the first two. Crummel did 200 days for failing to register.

On July 2, 1981 6-year-old Jeffery Vargo was reported missing in Anaheim Hills, California. Jeffery's body was found twenty miles away at a construction site. He Had been molested and strangled. James Crummel remains the prime suspect in the case.

In February of 1983, Pima county once again arrested and charged Crummel for the murder of Clawson. In November of 1983 he was found guilty of murder and he was sentenced to life. One year later, judge Michael Brown threw out the conviction on the grounds that Crummel‘s lawyer did not adequately defend Crummel. All the physical evidence related to the murder was either missing or tainted and Pima County had no choice accept to allow Crummel to plead down to simple kidnapping. Crummel was free again in 1987.

In 1995 Crummel was living in Big Bear City, California and 15 counts for molesting three boys were dropped because the statute of limitations had passed on the cases. The same year, nine-year-old Jack Phillips, disappeared from a parade in Big Bear, suspect James Crummel just happened to be on the same street at the time.

In 1990, a witness called police and told them he had been hiking and had discovered human bones in the wilderness west of Lake Elsinore, Riverside County. The witness led detectives to the site where police discovered scattered bones including a jaw bone with braces. The remains were sent to a forensic scientist who identified the bones as female.

In 1996 the remains were re-examined and this time were correctly determined to be male. The braces on the jaw bone were positively identified by Jamie Trotter's orthodontist and a follow up DNA confirmed that the boy, missing since 1979 had finally been accounted for.

The name of the hiker who had led police to Jamie Trotter’s remains: James Lee Crummel. Police discovered that in 1979 Crummel lived on the same street as Jamie Trotter between the hotel and his bus stop.

In July of 2004, Crummel, who by now was already serving a life sentence due to Orange County molestations stemming from the 1998 Forgey confession, was sentenced to death for the murder of James Trotter.

Why James Lee Crummel led police to the remains of Jamie Trotter is anyone’s guess. Perhaps he had an attack of conscience. More likely, he thought he could rub his crimes into the face of police once again, and he had done so many times in the past.

Last August on another message board we had a discussion about James Trotter and I received a PM from a relative of James Trotter who told me something I had never heard before. Discovered with the remains of James Trotter were other human remains still unidentified.


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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2009, 03:10:34 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Too bad we can't dig up Wasserman and Forgey and kill them all over again.
:cheers:

Fuck ya!  And John Padgett, too!  Dig his fat ass up and drag it up Seymour Road in Running Springs.
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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2009, 06:01:14 PM »
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In 1990, a witness called police and told them he had been hiking and had discovered human bones in the wilderness west of Lake Elsinore, Riverside County. The witness led detectives to the site where police discovered scattered bones including a jaw bone with braces. The remains were sent to a forensic scientist who identified the bones as female.  

This information was released to the public several weeks before I arrived at Cedu-RS in
late Dec. 1990.  I remember how there was a huge buzz about this among the kids at Cedu - with the prevailing rumor being that the discovered remains belonged to a girl who'd split from Cedu that previous summer (I can't remember her name with certainty- but the 1st name might've been Gina).  A number of Cedu staff including Tim Brace, Pam Abel, Patrick Stambusky, Steve Laird, Russ Decker, Guy Bonnano, Jill & Rudy Bentz fueled the rumor further by telling us it was true.  It was scare tactic to keep the rest of us from splitting, because at that time at least 3-5 kids split from RS every week.  During my first several months at Cedu, I remember sitting in rap after rap where "big brothers/sisters" (older students) cried & pleaded with their "younger siblings" (new students) not to run away, because of what happened to "poor Gina" (or whatever her name was).  Cedu staff enthusiastically egged this on all the way, I mean they fucking milked it for every last
drop they could.  Like I said before - this went on for months.

It sickens me how low those Cedu fuckers would stoop.  Using some poor families heart breaking tragedy to further thier own agenda the way Cedu did is beyond sick or immoral
or wrong - it's beyond description - those fucking shitbags have no souls at all!

By the way I'm all for digging up Wasserman, Padget, and so on, tying their corpses to the bumper of my truck, & dragging them up and down seymour road.  I'm even more for
doing it to  Bonanno, Decker, Laird, Stambusky, Brace,the Bentz's, the Abels, and the rest
of those child abusing fucks still living!  I know I'll never get the chance - but it sure is a pleasant  thought.
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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2009, 06:17:59 PM »
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In 1990, a witness called police and told them he had been hiking and had discovered human bones in the wilderness west of Lake Elsinore, Riverside County. The witness led detectives to the site where police discovered scattered bones including a jaw bone with braces. The remains were sent to a forensic scientist who identified the bones as female.  
This information was released to the public several weeks before I arrived at Cedu-RS in
late Dec. 1990.  I remember how there was a huge buzz about this among the kids at Cedu - with the prevailing rumor being that the discovered remains belonged to a girl who'd split from Cedu that previous summer (I can't remember her name with certainty- but the 1st name might've been Gina).  A number of Cedu staff including Tim Brace, Pam Abel, Patrick Stambusky, Steve Laird, Russ Decker, Guy Bonnano, Jill & Rudy Bentz fueled the rumor further by telling us it was true.  It was scare tactic to keep the rest of us from splitting, because at that time at least 3-5 kids split from RS every week.  During my first several months at Cedu, I remember sitting in rap after rap where "big brothers/sisters" (older students) cried & pleaded with their "younger siblings" (new students) not to run away, because of what happened to "poor Gina" (or whatever her name was).  Cedu staff enthusiastically egged this on all the way, I mean they fucking milked it for every last
drop they could.  Like I said before - this went on for months.

It sickens me how low those Cedu fuckers would stoop.  Using some poor families heart breaking tragedy to further thier own agenda the way Cedu did is beyond sick or immoral
or wrong - it's beyond description - those fucking shitbags have no souls at all!

By the way I'm all for digging up Wasserman, Padget, and so on, tying their corpses to the bumper of my truck, & dragging them up and down seymour road.  I'm even more for
doing it to  Bonanno, Decker, Laird, Stambusky, Brace,the Bentz's, the Abels, and the rest
of those child abusing fucks still living!  I know I'll never get the chance - but it sure is a pleasant  thought.
Did they actually say "it was true," meaning that it was specifically "poor Gina" (or other name)?

Because ... the police were never able to identify those bones for years. CEDU personnel would likely have known that much. Apparently, the fact that the teeth had braces precluded any of the missing females in the area right off the bat.

Of course, as it turns out, that gender identification was wrong. The bones actually belonged to James "Jamey" Trotter.
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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2009, 06:46:43 PM »
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In 1990, a witness called police and told them he had been hiking and had discovered human bones in the wilderness west of Lake Elsinore, Riverside County. The witness led detectives to the site where police discovered scattered bones including a jaw bone with braces. The remains were sent to a forensic scientist who identified the bones as female.  
This information was released to the public several weeks before I arrived at Cedu-RS in
late Dec. 1990.  I remember how there was a huge buzz about this among the kids at Cedu - with the prevailing rumor being that the discovered remains belonged to a girl who'd split from Cedu that previous summer (I can't remember her name with certainty- but the 1st name might've been Gina).  A number of Cedu staff including Tim Brace, Pam Abel, Patrick Stambusky, Steve Laird, Russ Decker, Guy Bonnano, Jill & Rudy Bentz fueled the rumor further by telling us it was true.  It was scare tactic to keep the rest of us from splitting, because at that time at least 3-5 kids split from RS every week.  During my first several months at Cedu, I remember sitting in rap after rap where "big brothers/sisters" (older students) cried & pleaded with their "younger siblings" (new students) not to run away, because of what happened to "poor Gina" (or whatever her name was).  Cedu staff enthusiastically egged this on all the way, I mean they fucking milked it for every last
drop they could.  Like I said before - this went on for months.

It sickens me how low those Cedu fuckers would stoop.  Using some poor families heart breaking tragedy to further thier own agenda the way Cedu did is beyond sick or immoral
or wrong - it's beyond description - those fucking shitbags have no souls at all!

By the way I'm all for digging up Wasserman, Padget, and so on, tying their corpses to the bumper of my truck, & dragging them up and down seymour road.  I'm even more for
doing it to  Bonanno, Decker, Laird, Stambusky, Brace,the Bentz's, the Abels, and the rest
of those child abusing fucks still living!  I know I'll never get the chance - but it sure is a pleasant  thought.
Did they actually say "it was true," meaning that it was specifically "poor Gina" (or other name)?

Because ... the police were never able to identify those bones for years. CEDU personnel would likely have known that much. Apparently, the fact that the teeth had braces precluded any of the missing females in the area right off the bat.

Of course, as it turns out, that gender identification was wrong. The bones actually belonged to James "Jamey" Trotter.

Yes, Ursus - Cedu-RS staff told us this was true - and obviously they intentionally lied to
us.  At Cedu-RS (during my time there), the Kids really didn't have access to TV, Media reports, recent newspapers, etcetera... All we had was Staff's word to go on.  They manipulated & controlled all of the information we heard about the outside world & current events.  The kids heard everything second hand, from staff.  It makes your stomach turn, doesn't it?   Mine sure does.
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Offline RMA Survivor

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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2009, 11:58:47 PM »
Guilty knowledge perhaps?  You can't assume they were just saying it was Gina to mess with you.  It is possible they knew someone had run away and never located and might have assumed themselves that it was her.  Or they might have known she died, possibly not reporting that to authorities.  

When I was at RMA, we had kids who split and never turned up anywhere.  One supposedly made it to Germany of all places.  Or so we were told... How would they know where he wound up?  If he was a teenager and ran away, and they knew he was in Germany, wouldn't they be required to notify authorities?

I am just saying, I think CEDU/RMA may have had knowledge of things, maybe not perfect knowledge, but enough to draw conclusions.  We all know that when you ran away, they had the local police and even escorts hunt you down to bring you back, because you were worth more to them on campus.  But we also know that staff routinely had sex with, and even molested students and I don't think it is too far-fetched that a student or two might have "disappeared" and that everyone was told they ran away.  But, that the staff may have known otherwise.  It was a cult after all.  They knew many of the things they did were illegal.  They all played the same games, and I just think telling everyone that every student ran away, on their own accord, is a very handy excuse.  

The bones might not have been Gina's, but CEDU may have thought they were for many reasons.  Did Gina ever turn up?
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Re: DOJ Inquiry
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2009, 10:32:54 AM »
Quote from: "RMA Survivor"
Guilty knowledge perhaps?  You can't assume they were just saying it was Gina to mess with you.  It is possible they knew someone had run away and never located and might have assumed themselves that it was her.  Or they might have known she died, possibly not reporting that to authorities.  

When I was at RMA, we had kids who split and never turned up anywhere.  One supposedly made it to Germany of all places.  Or so we were told... How would they know where he wound up?  If he was a teenager and ran away, and they knew he was in Germany, wouldn't they be required to notify authorities?

I am just saying, I think CEDU/RMA may have had knowledge of things, maybe not perfect knowledge, but enough to draw conclusions.  We all know that when you ran away, they had the local police and even escorts hunt you down to bring you back, because you were worth more to them on campus.  But we also know that staff routinely had sex with, and even molested students and I don't think it is too far-fetched that a student or two might have "disappeared" and that everyone was told they ran away.  But, that the staff may have known otherwise.  It was a cult after all.  They knew many of the things they did were illegal.  They all played the same games, and I just think telling everyone that every student ran away, on their own accord, is a very handy excuse.  

The bones might not have been Gina's, but CEDU may have thought they were for many reasons.  Did Gina ever turn up?

First of all, I can't say for certain that her name really was/is "Gina" - it might've been,
but I can't remember for sure.  I never met the girl in question - because she split from
Cedu-RS like 6 months before my arrival there.   I have no idea if  "Gina" (I'll call her
that for convenience) ever resurfaced again after splitting Cedu.  Cedu-RS Staff did not
make a habit of updating us on the whereabouts of Kids who'd successfully split or
otherwise left the program early. Such persons were looked at negatively by Cedu - so
when they were discussed by Staff (mostly in raps), it was in this context - IE: "Gina
split & now she's a fucking corpse!", "Nicole gave up on herself & split, now she's in a
8'x6' room at psyche ward with no window, and 4 padded walls to keep her from hurting herself!", "I got a letter from Trevor at Provo Canyon, he's stuck there for 2 more years,
he says he's so sorry for throwing away his last chance here at Cedu - he'd give anything
to be back here." and so on...  Furthermore, the subject of kids who successfully ran
away (or left the program early) was generally considered taboo for discussion
amongst the kids at Cedu - sure we talked about them, but those discussions were
almost always cut short by some upper school ass-licker "pulling us up".  Typically they'd
say something like "you're not supposed to talk about them, they're not in the program anymore."

Honestly, I think that the person I've been calling "Gina" is probably alive & well - and
the horrific story Cedu-RS Staff told us about her is just that - a story.  Cedu saw
the opportunity arise when Jamey's remains were discovered, and they jumped on
it.  Cedu exploiting some poor families tragedy for their own gain - sounds familiar
doesn't it? That's the very nature of Cedu's business.

I'm actually much more concerned about Blake (forgot his last name- can someone help
me with this), who split from Cedu-RS during the mid-1990's, and was never found.
As I understand it, Crummel the psycho was still prowling those woods back then, and
may have even met Blake while working for "Dr." Forgey at Cedu-Rs during that
time period. I also want to remind everyone that Daniel Yuen is still missing
after splitting from CEDU-RS some 7 or 8 years ago.  

I'm sure there's a number of other missing persons from Cedu during their 35+ yrs. in business still unaccounted for - what former Cedu staff members know about them is
your guess as good as mine.
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