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Son Of Serbia:

--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---In 1990, a witness called police and told them he had been hiking and had discovered human bones in the wilderness west of Lake Elsinore, Riverside County. The witness led detectives to the site where police discovered scattered bones including a jaw bone with braces. The remains were sent to a forensic scientist who identified the bones as female.  
--- End quote ---

This information was released to the public several weeks before I arrived at Cedu-RS in
late Dec. 1990.  I remember how there was a huge buzz about this among the kids at Cedu - with the prevailing rumor being that the discovered remains belonged to a girl who'd split from Cedu that previous summer (I can't remember her name with certainty- but the 1st name might've been Gina).  A number of Cedu staff including Tim Brace, Pam Abel, Patrick Stambusky, Steve Laird, Russ Decker, Guy Bonnano, Jill & Rudy Bentz fueled the rumor further by telling us it was true.  It was scare tactic to keep the rest of us from splitting, because at that time at least 3-5 kids split from RS every week.  During my first several months at Cedu, I remember sitting in rap after rap where "big brothers/sisters" (older students) cried & pleaded with their "younger siblings" (new students) not to run away, because of what happened to "poor Gina" (or whatever her name was).  Cedu staff enthusiastically egged this on all the way, I mean they fucking milked it for every last
drop they could.  Like I said before - this went on for months.

It sickens me how low those Cedu fuckers would stoop.  Using some poor families heart breaking tragedy to further thier own agenda the way Cedu did is beyond sick or immoral
or wrong - it's beyond description - those fucking shitbags have no souls at all!

By the way I'm all for digging up Wasserman, Padget, and so on, tying their corpses to the bumper of my truck, & dragging them up and down seymour road.  I'm even more for
doing it to  Bonanno, Decker, Laird, Stambusky, Brace,the Bentz's, the Abels, and the rest
of those child abusing fucks still living!  I know I'll never get the chance - but it sure is a pleasant  thought.

Ursus:

--- Quote from: "Son Of Serbia" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---In 1990, a witness called police and told them he had been hiking and had discovered human bones in the wilderness west of Lake Elsinore, Riverside County. The witness led detectives to the site where police discovered scattered bones including a jaw bone with braces. The remains were sent to a forensic scientist who identified the bones as female.  
--- End quote ---
This information was released to the public several weeks before I arrived at Cedu-RS in
late Dec. 1990.  I remember how there was a huge buzz about this among the kids at Cedu - with the prevailing rumor being that the discovered remains belonged to a girl who'd split from Cedu that previous summer (I can't remember her name with certainty- but the 1st name might've been Gina).  A number of Cedu staff including Tim Brace, Pam Abel, Patrick Stambusky, Steve Laird, Russ Decker, Guy Bonnano, Jill & Rudy Bentz fueled the rumor further by telling us it was true.  It was scare tactic to keep the rest of us from splitting, because at that time at least 3-5 kids split from RS every week.  During my first several months at Cedu, I remember sitting in rap after rap where "big brothers/sisters" (older students) cried & pleaded with their "younger siblings" (new students) not to run away, because of what happened to "poor Gina" (or whatever her name was).  Cedu staff enthusiastically egged this on all the way, I mean they fucking milked it for every last
drop they could.  Like I said before - this went on for months.

It sickens me how low those Cedu fuckers would stoop.  Using some poor families heart breaking tragedy to further thier own agenda the way Cedu did is beyond sick or immoral
or wrong - it's beyond description - those fucking shitbags have no souls at all!

By the way I'm all for digging up Wasserman, Padget, and so on, tying their corpses to the bumper of my truck, & dragging them up and down seymour road.  I'm even more for
doing it to  Bonanno, Decker, Laird, Stambusky, Brace,the Bentz's, the Abels, and the rest
of those child abusing fucks still living!  I know I'll never get the chance - but it sure is a pleasant  thought.
--- End quote ---
Did they actually say "it was true," meaning that it was specifically "poor Gina" (or other name)?

Because ... the police were never able to identify those bones for years. CEDU personnel would likely have known that much. Apparently, the fact that the teeth had braces precluded any of the missing females in the area right off the bat.

Of course, as it turns out, that gender identification was wrong. The bones actually belonged to James "Jamey" Trotter.

Son Of Serbia:

--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "Son Of Serbia" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---In 1990, a witness called police and told them he had been hiking and had discovered human bones in the wilderness west of Lake Elsinore, Riverside County. The witness led detectives to the site where police discovered scattered bones including a jaw bone with braces. The remains were sent to a forensic scientist who identified the bones as female.  
--- End quote ---
This information was released to the public several weeks before I arrived at Cedu-RS in
late Dec. 1990.  I remember how there was a huge buzz about this among the kids at Cedu - with the prevailing rumor being that the discovered remains belonged to a girl who'd split from Cedu that previous summer (I can't remember her name with certainty- but the 1st name might've been Gina).  A number of Cedu staff including Tim Brace, Pam Abel, Patrick Stambusky, Steve Laird, Russ Decker, Guy Bonnano, Jill & Rudy Bentz fueled the rumor further by telling us it was true.  It was scare tactic to keep the rest of us from splitting, because at that time at least 3-5 kids split from RS every week.  During my first several months at Cedu, I remember sitting in rap after rap where "big brothers/sisters" (older students) cried & pleaded with their "younger siblings" (new students) not to run away, because of what happened to "poor Gina" (or whatever her name was).  Cedu staff enthusiastically egged this on all the way, I mean they fucking milked it for every last
drop they could.  Like I said before - this went on for months.

It sickens me how low those Cedu fuckers would stoop.  Using some poor families heart breaking tragedy to further thier own agenda the way Cedu did is beyond sick or immoral
or wrong - it's beyond description - those fucking shitbags have no souls at all!

By the way I'm all for digging up Wasserman, Padget, and so on, tying their corpses to the bumper of my truck, & dragging them up and down seymour road.  I'm even more for
doing it to  Bonanno, Decker, Laird, Stambusky, Brace,the Bentz's, the Abels, and the rest
of those child abusing fucks still living!  I know I'll never get the chance - but it sure is a pleasant  thought.
--- End quote ---
Did they actually say "it was true," meaning that it was specifically "poor Gina" (or other name)?

Because ... the police were never able to identify those bones for years. CEDU personnel would likely have known that much. Apparently, the fact that the teeth had braces precluded any of the missing females in the area right off the bat.

Of course, as it turns out, that gender identification was wrong. The bones actually belonged to James "Jamey" Trotter.
--- End quote ---

Yes, Ursus - Cedu-RS staff told us this was true - and obviously they intentionally lied to
us.  At Cedu-RS (during my time there), the Kids really didn't have access to TV, Media reports, recent newspapers, etcetera... All we had was Staff's word to go on.  They manipulated & controlled all of the information we heard about the outside world & current events.  The kids heard everything second hand, from staff.  It makes your stomach turn, doesn't it?   Mine sure does.

RMA Survivor:
Guilty knowledge perhaps?  You can't assume they were just saying it was Gina to mess with you.  It is possible they knew someone had run away and never located and might have assumed themselves that it was her.  Or they might have known she died, possibly not reporting that to authorities.  

When I was at RMA, we had kids who split and never turned up anywhere.  One supposedly made it to Germany of all places.  Or so we were told... How would they know where he wound up?  If he was a teenager and ran away, and they knew he was in Germany, wouldn't they be required to notify authorities?

I am just saying, I think CEDU/RMA may have had knowledge of things, maybe not perfect knowledge, but enough to draw conclusions.  We all know that when you ran away, they had the local police and even escorts hunt you down to bring you back, because you were worth more to them on campus.  But we also know that staff routinely had sex with, and even molested students and I don't think it is too far-fetched that a student or two might have "disappeared" and that everyone was told they ran away.  But, that the staff may have known otherwise.  It was a cult after all.  They knew many of the things they did were illegal.  They all played the same games, and I just think telling everyone that every student ran away, on their own accord, is a very handy excuse.  

The bones might not have been Gina's, but CEDU may have thought they were for many reasons.  Did Gina ever turn up?

Son Of Serbia:

--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---Guilty knowledge perhaps?  You can't assume they were just saying it was Gina to mess with you.  It is possible they knew someone had run away and never located and might have assumed themselves that it was her.  Or they might have known she died, possibly not reporting that to authorities.  

When I was at RMA, we had kids who split and never turned up anywhere.  One supposedly made it to Germany of all places.  Or so we were told... How would they know where he wound up?  If he was a teenager and ran away, and they knew he was in Germany, wouldn't they be required to notify authorities?

I am just saying, I think CEDU/RMA may have had knowledge of things, maybe not perfect knowledge, but enough to draw conclusions.  We all know that when you ran away, they had the local police and even escorts hunt you down to bring you back, because you were worth more to them on campus.  But we also know that staff routinely had sex with, and even molested students and I don't think it is too far-fetched that a student or two might have "disappeared" and that everyone was told they ran away.  But, that the staff may have known otherwise.  It was a cult after all.  They knew many of the things they did were illegal.  They all played the same games, and I just think telling everyone that every student ran away, on their own accord, is a very handy excuse.  

The bones might not have been Gina's, but CEDU may have thought they were for many reasons.  Did Gina ever turn up?
--- End quote ---

First of all, I can't say for certain that her name really was/is "Gina" - it might've been,
but I can't remember for sure.  I never met the girl in question - because she split from
Cedu-RS like 6 months before my arrival there.   I have no idea if  "Gina" (I'll call her
that for convenience) ever resurfaced again after splitting Cedu.  Cedu-RS Staff did not
make a habit of updating us on the whereabouts of Kids who'd successfully split or
otherwise left the program early. Such persons were looked at negatively by Cedu - so
when they were discussed by Staff (mostly in raps), it was in this context - IE: "Gina
split & now she's a fucking corpse!", "Nicole gave up on herself & split, now she's in a
8'x6' room at psyche ward with no window, and 4 padded walls to keep her from hurting herself!", "I got a letter from Trevor at Provo Canyon, he's stuck there for 2 more years,
he says he's so sorry for throwing away his last chance here at Cedu - he'd give anything
to be back here." and so on...  Furthermore, the subject of kids who successfully ran
away (or left the program early) was generally considered taboo for discussion
amongst the kids at Cedu - sure we talked about them, but those discussions were
almost always cut short by some upper school ass-licker "pulling us up".  Typically they'd
say something like "you're not supposed to talk about them, they're not in the program anymore."

Honestly, I think that the person I've been calling "Gina" is probably alive & well - and
the horrific story Cedu-RS Staff told us about her is just that - a story.  Cedu saw
the opportunity arise when Jamey's remains were discovered, and they jumped on
it.  Cedu exploiting some poor families tragedy for their own gain - sounds familiar
doesn't it? That's the very nature of Cedu's business.

I'm actually much more concerned about Blake (forgot his last name- can someone help
me with this), who split from Cedu-RS during the mid-1990's, and was never found.
As I understand it, Crummel the psycho was still prowling those woods back then, and
may have even met Blake while working for "Dr." Forgey at Cedu-Rs during that
time period. I also want to remind everyone that Daniel Yuen is still missing
after splitting from CEDU-RS some 7 or 8 years ago.  

I'm sure there's a number of other missing persons from Cedu during their 35+ yrs. in business still unaccounted for - what former Cedu staff members know about them is
your guess as good as mine.

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