Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy

[Whooter]

So who else is to blame for pissing away the money and placing a kid in a program?

No one else.  The kids had plenty of warning and knew the axe was going to fall.  Talk to a few off line they were not oblivious to it.  (they wont admit it openly on fornits)  Its not like they were sitting around waiting for their full scholarship to Harvard to arrive.  The kids can do what ever they want once they turn 18.  But until then they need to follow the rules of the house.  Plain and simple.  If you fuck up and piss away yours and your  siblings inheritance you need to live with that, although many just keep on going and blaming their parents and programs.... anyone else besides themselves.

A coworker is different than a parent but the outward blame shows up in the work place.  If someone brings their fries back and says they are cold and the kid behind the counter makes all kinds of excuses like” I just started my shift, someone else forgot to turn on the fryolator or Someone else put those in the bag it wasnt my order.  This kid will be at the counter his whole life and is likely to blame all his screw ups on others, his parents family etc..... The customer doesn’t want excuses he just wants warm fries.  The kid who takes accountability will just apologize for the mistake and get the customer a new bag whether it was his fault or not.
See what I mean?

[Anonymous]

So you are saying that the programs exist as punishment for bad kids, an "axe" to threaten the kid into following the rules of the house?  And they were not oblivious?  The kids who were kidnapped in the middle of the night and hauled away had to have been pretty oblivious or they would have run for the hilss.

you fuck up and piss away yours and your siblings inheritance you need to live with that,

Again  it was the parent's money, control and choice to "piss away" the money although since you obviously approve of programs  I find it an odd choice of words; I would think you would view it as a "wise investment" or money well-spent to "save" the kid and all the siblings should be grateful for the opportunity to help save a family member's life. Is this your way of admitting money spent ("pissed away") on programs is a big waste and programs are worthless?

So ya got a parent telling the sibs that their money was "pissed away" on the bad kid and its all his fault.  Ya got a parent with some serous "failure-to-take-responsibility-(fucking up and pissing away the money on a worthless program)" issues, sowing the seeds of resentment among the children.  Nice, real nice.  I hope you don't have kids cuz ya don't seem to like 'em much. :rofl:

[Whooter]

So you are saying that the programs exist as punishment for bad kids, an "axe" to threaten the kid into following the rules of the house? And they were not oblivious? The kids who were kidnapped in the middle of the night and hauled away had to have been pretty oblivious or they would have run for the hilss.

Most parents know their own kids and know if they would be willing to attend a program or not.  If a child is defiant and would refuse to get help then an escort would be a good choice in this case.  I am not aware of any other options available if the kid refuses help.

Again it was the parent's money, control and choice to "piss away" the money although since you obviously approve of programs I find it an odd choice of words; I would think you would view it as a "wise investment" or money well-spent to "save" the kid and all the siblings should be grateful for the opportunity to help save a family member's life. Is this your way of admitting money spent ("pissed away") on programs is a big waste and programs are worthless?

Sure if the kid floods the basement and they need a new heating system then it is the parents choice whether or not to spend it.  If the kid overdoses on heroin and needs rehab then it is the parents who decide to spend the money or not.  If the kid chooses to drop out of school and partake in an at-risk life style then it is the parents decision to help the kid or not......But it is the kid who incurs the expense not the parents.  Its a wise investment to get a new heating system, get the children the help they need etc. but in many cases the kid could have avoided the expense by making better choices.
If you had kids you would know that you would sell your house to save one of your children.

So ya got a parent telling the sibs that their money was "pissed away" on the bad kid and its all his fault. Ya got a parent with some serous "failure-to-take-responsibility-(fucking up and pissing away the money on a worthless program)" issues, sowing the seeds of resentment among the children. Nice, real nice. I hope you don't have kids cuz ya don't seem to like 'em much.

Well I guess if you live in a trailer park the parents and family may interact that way.  Typically everyone knows what the deal is and why the money was spent and how much. The kids know themselves that they are the ones responsible for incurring the expense, not their brothers and sisters or their parents.

[Troll Control]

So you are saying that the programs exist as punishment for bad kids, an "axe" to threaten the kid into following the rules of the house?  And they were not oblivious?  The kids who were kidnapped in the middle of the night and hauled away had to have been pretty oblivious or they would have run for the hilss.

you fuck up and piss away yours and your siblings inheritance you need to live with that,

Again  it was the parent's money, control and choice to "piss away" the money although since you obviously approve of programs  I find it an odd choice of words; I would think you would view it as a "wise investment" or money well-spent to "save" the kid and all the siblings should be grateful for the opportunity to help save a family member's life. Is this your way of admitting money spent ("pissed away") on programs is a big waste and programs are worthless?

So ya got a parent telling the sibs that their money was "pissed away" on the bad kid and its all his fault.  Ya got a parent with some serous "failure-to-take-responsibility-(fucking up and pissing away the money on a worthless program)" issues, sowing the seeds of resentment among the children.  Nice, real nice.  I hope you don't have kids cuz ya don't seem to like 'em much. :rofl:

Well said.  And right on the money, so to speak.  Remember that you're dealing with an elitist also.  For him it's ALL about MONEY.  And, of course, blaming the children for their shitty parents.  "You can't chose your parents."  Too bad, huh?

[Anonymous]

I hear ya.  Interesting how revealing the reference to the money being "pissed away" is(guess he mortgaged the house and didn't get back the grateful Stepford kid he bargained for) :  a Freudian slip as it were, a subliminal admission that the money was a waste and he's "pissed" about it.  All of sudden he gets all formal defending stuff that's not at issue in my response, avoiding the meat of the matter. F
Typical.  Its either CG or the Whoots.

[Oscar]

It will close december 9 - 2009.

Mount Bachelor Academy in Prineville to close by Dec. 9 (By Amy Hsuan, The Oregonian , Oregon Live LLC)

The keystone i Aspen's program Lifestep was the reason.

Now it is up to the state of Arizona and the state of Utah to investigate the same. Lifestep is according to our sources used at Copper Canyon Academy and teenagers from Aspen Ranch have been driven down there to participate in those seminars.

If they don't act the the reason for HR 911 will be more clear than ever. Child abuse in one state cannot be OK in another. There must be federal standards.

[Troll Control]

Full text of above link:

Mount Bachelor Academy in Prineville to close by Dec. 9
By Amy Hsuan, The Oregonian
November 09, 2009, 6:16PM
 
Mount Bachelor Academy, a Prineville boarding school investigated by the state for allegations of child abuse, will close by December 9.

The facility will start letting employees go on Wednesday, with a total loss of between 69 and 72 jobs.

The state Department of Human Services told parents to remove their children from the school last week after a seven-month investigation concluded that students were subject to inappropriate sexual role-play, public humiliation and physical deprivation.

The state gave the academy 90 days to correct a list of violations, said DHS spokesman Gene Evans, but had not heard anything since.

The school's parent company, California-based Aspen Education Group, announced the permanent closure Monday in a Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act to the state's Department of Community Colleges and Workforce Development.

In the notice, Mark Dorenfeld, senior vice president for Aspen Education, states that the company is unable to provide 60-days notice as required by the federal act because "the closing is the result of an unforeseeable business circumstance; namely the revocation of the Facility's operating license."

However, the state has only temporarily suspended the school's license, Evans said. The school could be reinstated if it takes corrective action.

"We issued them a temporary suspension to operate their therapeutic boarding school," Evans said on Monday.

Representatives of Aspen Education did not return phone calls on Monday. The facility will starting letting employees go on Wednesday, with a total loss of between 69 and 72 jobs.

According to state records, the school enrolled 88 students and employed 77 staff as of March. The private school catered to troubled teens 14 to 17 1/2 years old, drawing students from all over the world. Tuition ran $6,400 a month, and students typically stayed 14 to 16 months.

Representatives of Aspen Education did not return phone calls on Monday.

-- Amy Hsuan

It seems from reading this, Aspen simply chose to close its doors rather than try to comply with the law.  Fine with me.  The order is clearly a suspension of the license and not a revocation, but the VP Mark Dorenfeld, in typical Aspen style, said that MBA couldn't carry on because of a revocation, which is untrue.  

It seems he's trying to martyr MBA so he can say "The big, bad regulators shut us down.  There was nothing I could do!"  When, in reality, he could have cleaned up his act, hired qualified people and followed the law.  It's plain to see that if Aspen has to spend money instead of making it, they will just close up rather than offer actual evidence-based treatment.

Take you marbles and go home then, Mr. Dorenfeld.  I won't cry about it.  Just be aware you're running a failed business model and this is going to be happening everywhere you operate.  Many of us here are seeing to that personally.  Buh-bye now. :rocker:

[Whooter]

It's plain to see that if Aspen has to spend money instead of making it....

I think you hit it right on the head.  Aspen is going to take the path which maximizes profits.  Businesses dont spend money just to prove a point.

[Anonymous]

Because shitty parents are on the look out to dump their troubled kids in an expensive baby sitters lap.

Interesting how the ones who still cannot take responsibility for their own lives and screw ups refer to "program parents" as the ones screwed up or call them shitty parents.  Gets you off the hook?  I bet to this day you haven’t taken personal responsibility for being placed.
I bet even in your present profession you blame others for your screw-ups.  It does carry over.

My life actually is a happy positive one.   I place no blame on my parents, with whom I love.  They were lied to on many levels, as was the school district that shelled out $3,500 a month in 1980 for an education that CEDU never gave.  Basket weaving doesn't get you too far in life.

No, I'm no screw up.  Actually, I'm a new grandmother to an amazing little boy.  I own a thriving business, own a house, and am hoping Santa will deliver a new Harley-Davidson around the new year.  I'm a devoted wife to my husband, and I have two step-sons that I adore.

I take it you are either a staff member/abuser, or a former student that is still drinking the kool-aid.  Either way, you mean nothing to me, and obviously have no purpose in life except to trivialize the loss of children's lives that were entrusted to CEDU and the like.

Obviously, you lack compassion.  I pity you.  GET HELP.

[Whooter]

Because shitty parents are on the look out to dump their troubled kids in an expensive baby sitters lap.

Interesting how the ones who still cannot take responsibility for their own lives and screw ups refer to "program parents" as the ones screwed up or call them shitty parents.  Gets you off the hook?  I bet to this day you haven’t taken personal responsibility for being placed.
I bet even in your present profession you blame others for your screw-ups.  It does carry over.

My life actually is a happy positive one.   I place no blame on my parents, with whom I love.  They were lied to on many levels, as was the school district that shelled out $3,500 a month in 1980 for an education that CEDU never gave.  Basket weaving doesn't get you too far in life.

No, I'm no screw up.  Actually, I'm a new grandmother to an amazing little boy.  I own a thriving business, own a house, and am hoping Santa will deliver a new Harley-Davidson around the new year.  I'm a devoted wife to my husband, and I have two step-sons that I adore.

I take it you are either a staff member/abuser, or a former student that is still drinking the kool-aid.  Either way, you mean nothing to me, and obviously have no purpose in life except to trivialize the loss of children's lives that were entrusted to CEDU and the like.

Obviously, you lack compassion.  I pity you.  GET HELP.

I think you may be confusing threads.  They were talking about shitty parents vs kids who never took responsibility for their lives and the events that shaped them.  There was no loss of life mentioned nor mention of CEDU that I saw. But I am glad you made out okay and have a good relationship with your parents.  Congrats on being a grandmom.

[Anonymous]

They were talking about shitty parents vs kids who never took responsibility for their lives

right. because one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

[Anonymous]

A reminder of the actual topic, Mount Bachelor Academy gets shut down for abusing children. :feedtrolls:

[Whooter]

A reminder of the actual topic, Mount Bachelor Academy gets shut down for abusing children. :feedtrolls:

Nothing has been proven by either side yet, just talk at this point.  He said, she said.  It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

[Anonymous]

If MBA is not shut down, then where are the children now?

[Ursus]

If MBA is not shut down, then where are the children now?

Some were taken home, some are being placed in other programs as per arrangements facilitated by their parents. I imagine that Academy at Swift River, Mount Bachelor's sister school, is experiencing an increase in their enrollment numbers.

I bet Whooter is happy about that!