Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---But what about after they allowed this to happen (because Aspen schools are so unsafe) that they covered up the rape? How is not reporting a child rape "keeping the kids safe"? That's perverse.
You'll have to explain that to those of us who aren't mentally ill.
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How can anyone possibly know if you are mentally ill or not? That doesnt make any sense. The posts should be addressed assuming that everyone has a normal level of comprehension. It is impossible to adjust them for every possible disorder.
If Aspen knowingly allowed this to happen then this will come out in the released documents
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I understand it is unclear whether or not this rape occured on campus, as the guest mentioned. But I dont think this is a reason to start having the kids fenced in. Putting up fences isnt going to resolve this type of thing. If a child is going to have sex with another child or rape another child there is not much people can do about it unless all the kids are kept in separate areas or isolation, which would not be a good decision. I think the major problem was with the lack of reporting and MBA should have their feet held to the fire over it.
It will be interesting to see how this is addressed.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I understand it is unclear whether or not this rape occured on campus, as the guest mentioned. But I dont think this is a reason to start having the kids fenced in. Putting up fences isnt going to resolve this type of thing. If a child is going to have sex with another child or rape another child there is not much people can do about it unless all the kids are kept in separate areas or isolation, which would not be a good decision. I think the major problem was with the lack of reporting and MBA should have their feet held to the fire over it.
It will be interesting to see how this is addressed.
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This particular situation has nothing to do with whether MBA should have had fences or not, and very little to do with whether this rape occurred off-campus or on.
The kid who was raped was enrolled at MBA. MBA had the responsibility, the duty, actually, to act in loco parentis whilst the kid was at MBA.
* The kid was raped whilst at MBA, by another kid also enrolled at MBA.
MBA failed in its responsibility to act in loco parentis for both kids.
* MBA had both a moral as well as legal obligation to report this rape. They did not.
MBA failed in its responsibility to act in loco parentis, as well as to fulfill its legal obligation as a mandated reporter.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "OliJ" ---I cant say anything about MBA being shut down except I went to the school and had a good enough experience and the friends I made are friends for life Like family. Sharon Bitz was my first Mentor at Mount Bachelor and she was and I am sure is a caring person who really helped me. It's sad this is coming down on her she deserves better.
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Bravo to you for having the integrity to stand up to these Flamers.
I am the parent of an MBA student. I am not going to engage the narrow-minded, so at the end of what I have to say, feel free to flame away.
First of all the term "substantiated" means nothing more than someone has put forth evidence of a claim. It is not a charge, it is not a fact and it is certainly not proven. To illustrate this point I substantiate that many of the posters to this thread are morons and I cite their posts as evidence. While some of the posters here are apparently intelligent they are misguided. Go ahead and quote the dictionary definition of the word, It doesn't take into account the context in which the word is used. In this case DHS is complaining and ordering corrections. This does not rise to the level of illegal charges. DHS may refer their findings to law enforcement to determine if there is a case, we'll see about that. Beyond that proving harm is another matter, remember defendants in a case have a right to a vigorous defense.
Secondly, just because there are experts who's professional opinion allows them to claim that the techniques used by the school are harmful doesn't make it so. What is missing in these charges is objective proof. There are just as many experts who, based on their expertise, can claim that there is validity in the therapeutic approach used. It boils down to the argument of clinical basis vs. evidence basis. The problem with doing clinical analysis on the effectiveness of these therapeutic techniques is the need for double blind studies. Can you imagine giving help to one group of troubled teens and withholding it from a control group to measure the techniques effectiveness? (maybe some of you flamers were actually in one of those control groups). The evidence for the effectiveness of the emotional growth workshops is clearly evident to anyone with an open mind. We as a society are going back to the dark ages when we can't believe what is right before our eyes.
Thirdly, there is no one-size-fits-all treatment. You flamers are objective evidence of that. You clearly were not saved by the programs you went through, I am truly sorry for that. Now, because you weren't helped you want bring down those institutions. You appear to be obsessed with being obsessed. One good thing that can be said on your behalf is that you have found a cause to believe in, too bad it's not a productive cause.
Troll Control:
Hey, Asshole, let's start with a proven event. A little girl was RAPED on the MBA campus. This CHILD RAPE was not reported to the authorities. Let's just begin here and I will dismantle the rest of you weak and pathetic argument later. Explain how not reporting CHILD RAPES of kids in their custody makes MBA a safe place for kids. Explain that one to me and we can then begin the examination of the rest of your nonsense. I'd like to see you justify the raping of children in Aspen's care.
If there were NOTHING else wrong, this alone is enough to shut their doors, but, as we all know, there is much, much more. Was your daughter one of the minor females forced to lap dance and perform simulated felatio on her counselor? Do you consider this sick pedophile behavior part of MBA's excellent treatment plan? Oh, wait, they had no treatment plans. They were cited for that, too.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "OliJ" ---I cant say anything about MBA being shut down except I went to the school and had a good enough experience and the friends I made are friends for life Like family. Sharon Bitz was my first Mentor at Mount Bachelor and she was and I am sure is a caring person who really helped me. It's sad this is coming down on her she deserves better.
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Bravo to you for having the integrity to stand up to these Flamers.
I am the parent of an MBA student. I am not going to engage the narrow-minded, so at the end of what I have to say, feel free to flame away.
First of all the term "substantiated" means nothing more than someone has put forth evidence of a claim. It is not a charge, it is not a fact and it is certainly not proven. To illustrate this point I substantiate that many of the posters to this thread are morons and I cite their posts as evidence. While some of the posters here are apparently intelligent they are misguided. Go ahead and quote the dictionary definition of the word, It doesn't take into account the context in which the word is used. In this case DHS is complaining and ordering corrections. This does not rise to the level of illegal charges. DHS may refer their findings to law enforcement to determine if there is a case, we'll see about that. Beyond that proving harm is another matter, remember defendants in a case have a right to a vigorous defense.
Secondly, just because there are experts who's professional opinion allows them to claim that the techniques used by the school are harmful doesn't make it so. What is missing in these charges is objective proof. There are just as many experts who, based on their expertise, can claim that there is validity in the therapeutic approach used. It boils down to the argument of clinical basis vs. evidence basis. The problem with doing clinical analysis on the effectiveness of these therapeutic techniques is the need for double blind studies. Can you imagine giving help to one group of troubled teens and withholding it from a control group to measure the techniques effectiveness? (maybe some of you flamers were actually in one of those control groups). The evidence for the effectiveness of the emotional growth workshops is clearly evident to anyone with an open mind. We as a society are going back to the dark ages when we can't believe what is right before our eyes.
Thirdly, there is no one-size-fits-all treatment. You flamers are objective evidence of that. You clearly were not saved by the programs you went through, I am truly sorry for that. Now, because you weren't helped you want bring down those institutions. You appear to be obsessed with being obsessed. One good thing that can be said on your behalf is that you have found a cause to believe in, too bad it's not a productive cause.
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You made some good points, guest, Some people like to play judge and jury here and jump to conclusions before the investigation is completed. Noone has been found guilty of anything.
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