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Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---An off-the-wall yet interesting aside: Like Jacob Moreno, founder of psychodrama, MBA co-founder Alex Bitz is a Romanian expatriate:
Bitz, Alex - Alumni Services Director
Educated in Film and theatre arts in Romania, Alex Bitz became a political refugee and came to the USA in 1984. He is a founding staff member of MBA. Since 1988 he has brought his creativity and passion to every aspect of the school (workshops, training, mentoring, arts, etc.). After more than 20 years of successfully working with children and families, Alex is as consumed with the work as he was his first day. Alex is a certified Life Coach and can often times be found traveling with students to Eastern Europe on the LaMancha Workshop.
Phone: Extension 325 0r dial 541-410-7975
Email: abitz@clearwire.net
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Whooter has a fondness for Romania as well. Curious.
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FreeofCC, Its not a fondness as much as it is an interest. I traveled extensively throughout these Soviet States and always found it interesting that you could give money to down and out people in the streets as long as they were not Romanian. They are all called Gypsies and all the locals seems to hate them... . This one time I landed in Kazakhstan and there was a woman with 3 children, no shoes and it was snowing and my driver was visibly upset that I gave her money and as my translator finally explained to me that you never give money to gypsies, you should spit on them... they should all just get a job or die. As I traveled more I found this to be a consensus throughout western and Southeast Asia (at least, as far as my experience goes). I found the ex-soviet cities are heated throughout by huge underground steam pipes so the down and out Romanians (gypsies) live underground during the winter months and I met a few as my translator was reluctant to translate and they are kind, gentle and beautiful people, mostly woman with kids and mouths to feed. I could never figure out where the men were or what they did, I never met a gypsy guy. Maybe Psy knows. But what I do know is I wouldn’t want to be a Romanian woman in Southeast Asia.
Edit, just wanted to add this: There was a guy who was passed out on the side walk outside a restaurant we were entering for lunch and the smell was so bad that I thought this guy was dead. We ate lunch and when we came out an hour later this guy never moved and there were about 30 flies on his face and my wife insisted someone call the police. So our translator reluctantly called someone. The police showed up and beat the guy with batons until he moved. His stomach was covered with coins from passerby’s. So people would supply this guy with money but not a woman with children to feed.
Whooter:
Back to the topic:
If all of the allegations stick I believe Aspen will need to try to figure out a legitimate way to prune that branch from their tree as quickly as possible, toss the executive leaders of Mount Bachelor under the bus and at the same time take inventory on their other programs to change or , as a minimum, insure that the same model isn’t being marketed/used by other programs within their Group. I am sure this is already underway. Anyone who has been awake for a short time during the past economic crises knows that the CEOs take the initial hit with the expectation that things will automatically change (for the better) in their absence. If people (customer, state officials) don’t buy into this move then further cuts and restructuring are proposed until the banks/investors become uncomfortable enough to shut down Mount Bachelor and finance a new venture under another name (and guessing by the present direction of the investigation….. a new state also). I am hoping this moves along quickly. I am interested to see if their entire model of “Life steps” will be laid out for the public to see and whether or not this will be tried in the open, by the public, prior to in the court of law. If Aspen pisses off the state of Oregon or pressures them too much they may release (leak) the gory details to the press to rile up public opinion. The local cops love to do this, especially in small towns where they have less to lose and fame to gain.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---During a discussion about another Aspen facility found to be abusing children through forced labor, sexual humiliation, etc, etc, etc, Whooter dropped this gem:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Programs have a need to continue to operate the same way. Regulation or laws will serve merely as an obstacle and they are something programs need to work around not work with.
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Whooter has just admitted that programs that kill and abuse kids should continue to operate the same way and to avoid or break any laws oe regulations that get in the way of their abusive practices.
This is an absolutely stunning look into the psychology of a program zealot. He clearly states that the ends justify the means even if that means children die, get raped, get beaten, get sexually humiliated, get neglected, get deprived of shelter, get starved, or otherwise maimed or killed.
This is the twisted thinking of Whooter.
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Yep, he said it and it was QFT. He really does believe these facilities should operate extralegally and try to thwart or circumvent oversight. But that environment is conducive to child abuse, as the Oregon DHS recently found out when they basically said Aspen's entire program is illegal because it is child abuse and every child at this Aspen facility was in fact abused.
Whooter supports hiding systemic, systematic, purposeful abuse of children from authorities. He has previously said he thinks it's fine for kids to have no way to call 911 or call a child abuse hotline. His explanation was that the "hotline operator could talk dirty to the kids." This is what you're dealing with here. Someone who tries to appear normal outwardly, but exhibits wholly abnormal behavior and thought anyway, even though he's actively trying to control it to appear normal.
Aspen already tried to sell Oregon official a new LifeSteps called "Transitions." Child psychologists refused to allow its implementation because...wait for it...it was EXACTLY THE SAME AS LIFESTEPS.
Every Aspen facility uses the same program model with LifeSteps. Every Aspen facility should be immediately closed for child abuse. Aspen's programs are considered by regulatory authorities to be child abuse.
joethebadass:
Actually that's not exactly true. Not all aspen programs use marathon workshops like lifesteps. In fact, I'm wondering at this point which programs still use the model? I was under the impression that Mount Bachelor was one of the last programs to be using it, but I could be far off on this one. Does anyone have an answer to that question?
psy:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Back to the topic:
If all of the allegations stick I believe Aspen will need to try to figure out a legitimate way to prune that branch from their tree as quickly as possible, toss the executive leaders of Mount Bachelor under the bus
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Like I said. In order to survive they're going to have to eat their own.
--- Quote ---and at the same time take inventory on their other programs to change or , as a minimum, insure that the same model isn’t being marketed/used by other programs within their Group. I am sure this is already underway.
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Oh i'm sure the marketing changes are underway as well. What I'm also pretty sure of is that nothing of substance will change. They simply do not know how to do without LifeSteps. There is a reason why every CEDU based program uses these nearly identical workshops. There is a reason why I remember the very same french maid costumes from Benchmark, the very same that were used at CEDU before that. The similarities are far too many and far too distinct to be coincidental. The people who use these workshops see noticeable results and truly believe that what they have is one of the only things that can help to turn kids lives around. It's holy doctrine, Whooter, and that doesn't change.
So what's so wrong with these workshops if they produce results? Well. The results they produce, while extremely dramatic, are for the most part temporary. There is also a lack of informed consent. Kids going into these workshops have no idea what they are about to undergo and have no choice to refuse. For every person who comes out with real or imagined benefit, there is another who is harmed. Therapy or whatever you want to call it should never produce harm. Furthermore, even out of those such as myself who perceived a benefit at the time, there are many who, years later in retrospect, found the experience disturbing and traumatic. Time may not heal all wounds but it sure puts things in perspective. These are not conclusions I came to after reaching Fornits, these are conclusions I came to before Fornits. Those independent realizations are what precipitated my journey here and the construction of my website on Benchmark. The fact that the same realizations are shared by so many others proves this is no fluke. Many kids are harmed by these practices.
--- Quote ---Anyone who has been awake for a short time during the past economic crises knows that the CEOs take the initial hit with the expectation that things will automatically change (for the better) in their absence. If people (customer, state officials) don’t buy into this move then further cuts and restructuring are proposed until the banks/investors become uncomfortable enough to shut down Mount Bachelor and finance a new venture under another name (and guessing by the present direction of the investigation….. a new state also). I am hoping this moves along quickly. I am interested to see if their entire model of “Life steps” will be laid out for the public to see and whether or not this will be tried in the open, by the public, prior to in the court of law.
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I, too, would like to see that happen, if not for anything else than to compare the scripts against my own experiences. I think we both know, though, that Aspen is never going to do that. It would be too incriminating. It would show for the world to see that while names have changed over time, the core practices remain almost identical to those at the inception of CEDU's propheets.
--- Quote ---If Aspen pisses off the state of Oregon or pressures them too much they may release (leak) the gory details to the press to rile up public opinion. The local cops love to do this, especially in small towns where they have less to lose and fame to gain.
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I have no doubt that might happen. If the investigators get tired of parents being paraded around for PR purposes, endlessly yammering on about how the program "saved my kid's life from deadinsaneinjail", they might very well be moved to show the public solid evidence proving the sorts of practices Aspen engages in.
@Joe:
--- Quote from: "joethebadass" ---Actually that's not exactly true. Not all aspen programs use marathon workshops like lifesteps. In fact, I'm wondering at this point which programs still use the model? I was under the impression that Mount Bachelor was one of the last programs to be using it, but I could be far off on this one. Does anyone have an answer to that question?
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It's not just MBA. Almost all CEDU based programs use some derivation of Propheets. These marathon workshops are widespread.
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