Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
psy:
--- Quote from: "joethebadass" ---What I posted was a letter that was sent to all parents of MBA students by the Oregon DHS. It was obtained by another survivor whose parent got it off of the MBA parent listserv. The parents-only forum isn't open to the public. Furthermore, I've personally spoken with three MBA staffers who have confirmed that this is true. It's official. Their license has been suspended, but not revoked. They still have a chance to appeal the "nine substantiated cases of child abuse and neglect" in ninety days at a hearing, but I doubt they will be successful.
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Even if they survive the hearing (probable, IMO, simply by preaching "we don't do that anymore" to the naive), I find it unlikely they'll survive the negative PR and parents pulling their kids out left and right. I have no doubt the program's spin machine is in overdrive right now trying to convince all their parents that these are just a few disgruntled liars who "failed" their program. As good as programs are at spinning things, I doubt even Whooter himself could talk parents out of pulling their kids at this point. Even if one or two buy it, all it takes is a sizable percentage to send the program firmly into the red. Furthermore, I have no doubt this letter, if circulated widely enough, would have a significant effect on enrollment.
Anonymous:
Psy, I used to be that optimistic. But that's not how it works with WWASPS (whose "schools" have been closed repeatedly) and that's not how it will work here.
My best guess is that the so-called parents will allow Aspen to move their children to some other shithole until it "blows over" and simply refuse to believe anything except what Aspen feeds them. If the license is revoked, Aspen will just re-open MBA again under another name, unless DHS sees it in advance. If DHS continues in this vein, Aspen will probably GTFO Oregon and move as much of their operations to Idaho or Utah as they can.
joethebadass:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Psy, I used to be that optimistic. But that's not how it works with WWASPS (whose "schools" have been closed repeatedly) and that's not how it will work here.
My best guess is that the so-called parents will allow Aspen to move their children to some other shithole until it "blows over" and simply refuse to believe anything except what Aspen feeds them. If the license is revoked, Aspen will just re-open MBA again under another name, unless DHS sees it in advance. If DHS continues in this vein, Aspen will probably GTFO Oregon and move as much of their operations to Idaho or Utah as they can.
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Unfortunately, I agree that even though Mt. Bachelor Academy is probably dead, the program will survive in some way. Just like when CEDU got shut down and a few hardcore staffers went and started all of those clones, I imagine that there are people at MBA who just love abusing children so much that they will relocate under a different name to do it. During attack groups, during lifesteps when they were breaking people down until they cried, they fucking LOVED it. They get an emotional high off of doing it. They're so sure that it's the right thing to do that some will continue doing it for the rest of their professional careers.
psy:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Psy, I used to be that optimistic. But that's not how it works with WWASPS (whose "schools" have been closed repeatedly) and that's not how it will work here.
My best guess is that the so-called parents will allow Aspen to move their children to some other shithole until it "blows over" and simply refuse to believe anything except what Aspen feeds them. If the license is revoked, Aspen will just re-open MBA again under another name, unless DHS sees it in advance. If DHS continues in this vein, Aspen will probably GTFO Oregon and move as much of their operations to Idaho or Utah as they can.
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Who knows. You make good points. It could go either way. Still. Just because something is difficult doesn't mean you just give up. This will put pressure on the program and create public awareness. It might even shed some light on the all-elusive seminar scripts if they eventually become part of public record which could lead to all sorts of things. If everything in that letter is true, somebody is sitting on a veritable treasure trove of information (hopefully most of or all of which will soon become public).
psy:
--- Quote from: "joethebadass" ---Unfortunately, I agree that even though Mt. Bachelor Academy is probably dead, the program will survive in some way. Just like when CEDU got shut down and a few hardcore staffers went and started all of those clones, I imagine that there are people at MBA who just love abusing children so much that they will relocate under a different name to do it. During attack groups, during lifesteps when they were breaking people down until they cried, they fucking LOVED it. They get an emotional high off of doing it. They're so sure that it's the right thing to do that some will continue doing it for the rest of their professional careers.
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Right. And try convincing some of them that what they've been doing to kids their entire career has caused immeasurable harm. That guilt keeps the vast, vast, majority from even facing that possibility.
I also wouldn't call MBA dead just yet. It's a good possibility, yes, but this information still needs to be properly publicized to reach the right audiences such as prospective parents. It matters little if abuse is substantiated if nobody knows about it. Don't count your chickens... Keep the pressure on.
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