Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
psy:
--- Quote from: "EricasMom" ---Article not so good really--biased to the max--two, count 'em two, edcons quoted and not a single quote from a source who doesn't have financial ties to the industry. Tom Croke "discovered" the Aspen ties to websites such as adoptionissues.org? Sheesh, did he also "discover" the interweb?
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Oh. I agree. But what is indeed fascinating is how they will indeed eat their own if a program causes enough embarrassment and threatens to upset the whole Aspen applecart. The whole tone of the ed-cons seems to suggest "on we didn't know they still did that... that' antiquated", and "the other places don't do that anymore"... and "it's watered down Synanon... really it is". It's clear damage control.
Croke has seemed to become more moderate recently, though that could be window dressing. I can't count how many times i've heard "we don't do that anymore".
--- Quote ---Croke said, of the state’s charges of abuse. “It was irresponsible of (Aspen) to allow that kind of programming to continue to go on in the year 2009.”
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Hmph. I'd like to know who he currently refers to. Not sure how much I believe he's sincere. He's referred to some pretty bad places in the past. He has been awfully critical of Aspen, though.
http://www.familylight.com/link3/3.03/3 ... arket.html
Thread on it here (including discussion with Croke):
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=25865&p=330986#p315838
psy:
Reading the article again, the subtext is ever more insidious.
--- Quote ---“It’s like going on the Internet to do your own open heart surgery,” Bodin said. “Anyone can throw their testimonials out there; everyone can give you a list of enthusiastic students.”
Before making those decisions, parents should speak with an educational consultant or mental health professional who knows about the treatment options and climate of each facility, Bodin said.
“Parents are having to make huge decisions involving lots of money at a very vulnerable time,” Bodin said. “Too often, parents can miss their own role in helping their child.”
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Amazing how some of these people can take the opportunity to sell shit at a time like this. Educational consultants are not mental health professionals. It's improper for them to pretend they know what's best for kids. Who should trust them anyway, with reputations like theirs. Look up any of these ed-cons and the facilities they have praised and referred to in the past (see above linked thread with Croke for a good example). Parents are supposed to trust their kids to people like this?
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "EricasMom" ---Article not so good really--biased to the max--two, count 'em two, edcons quoted and not a single quote from a source who doesn't have financial ties to the industry. Tom Croke "discovered" the Aspen ties to websites such as adoptionissues.org? Sheesh, did he also "discover" the interweb?
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It seems when there is no other way to successfully disagree with or discredit what a person is saying you resort to "They have ties to the industry" as if this is a bad thing or hurts their credibility. People within the industry have opinions and information the same as people within fornits or HEAL have theirs. Should Fornits peoples opinions be dismissed also?
Imagine if you were doing an article on the automobile industry. Wouldn’t you want to interview or quote people who had ties to the industry, financial or otherwise? If you wanted to interview someone about the details of a bill going thru congress wouldn’t you seek out someone who is working within the government?
psy:
--- Quote --- Utah Licensing Director Ken Stettler said the Aspen programs in his state are generally well-run.
When problems do occur, “our programs have been very good about responding to those things,” Stettler said. “They do the right things by getting it fixed.”
Stettler said none of the Aspen programs had incurred a major violation since he started in his position in 2002.
However, three children have died in Aspen-owned facilities in Utah since 2004. Two deaths were suicides. The other happened in 2007, when 14-year-old Brendan Blum died of a bowel obstruction, after counselors failed to call for medical assistance, despite his complaints of stomach pain, loss of bowel control and vomiting.
The school, Youth Care of Utah, had the proper procedures in place and wasn’t at fault, said Stettler.
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Anybody who has talked to the mother of that child about her son's death would debate that. How can ignoring a kid's cries for help possibly be justified. How?!! The kid died in one of the most painful ways imaginable as a result of his treatment.
psy:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---It seems when there is no other way to successfully disagree with or discredit what a person is saying you resort to "They have ties to the industry" as if this is a bad thing or hurts their credibility. People within the industry have opinions and information the same as people within fornits or HEAL have theirs. Should Fornits peoples opinions be dismissed also?
Imagine if you were doing an article on the automobile industry. Wouldn’t you want to interview or quote people who had ties to the industry, financial or otherwise? If you wanted to interview someone about the details of a bill going thru congress wouldn’t you seek out someone who is working within the government?
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Right, but while I agree the article seemed balanced it also seemed like a blatant endorsement of educational consultant (see my above quote). Portions of it read like advertisement and who they did not interview (vicims of the abuse, representatives from CAFETY, etc...) spoke louder than anybody they did. Both sides were not represented.
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