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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #105 on: November 10, 2009, 11:21:48 AM »
Do I understand correctly that the scripts and such for LifeSteps have not been made public? We have those details for some other multi-day, sleep-deprived abuse marathons, yes? Is it the CEDU propheets?
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #106 on: November 10, 2009, 12:36:08 PM »
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Right and MBA waved that right by deciding to shut down rather than put up a defense. If they were innocent and these charges were false, why would they do that? Perhaps because DHS only touched the tip of the iceberg and MBA did not want the full details of their LifeSteps becoming public.

Yeah, it is very reminiscent of what happened with Whitmore and Cheryl Sudweeks.  Carp and bitch that these people are closing  and not copping to guilt overlooks the fact that no innocent person would buckle and enter a plea bargain to such horrible accusations with their livelihood at stake.  Like Cheryl Sudweeks, MBA is cutting their losses so they can still do business elsewhere rather than face public trial, jail and permanent blackballing.  You're full of shit if you believe MBA is doing anything other than dodging the bullet they well deserve.

Purely a business decision.  If long term profits would benefit if they stayed and fought then they would.  But innocent or guilty it makes more sense to cut the loses now, avoid a public trial and try to reopen somewhere else, maybe under another name.
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #107 on: November 10, 2009, 01:24:06 PM »
And if that happens, I'll be the first one to put the dogs on the scent of the facility.
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #108 on: November 10, 2009, 01:47:06 PM »
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Do I understand correctly that the scripts and such for LifeSteps have not been made public? We have those details for some other multi-day, sleep-deprived abuse marathons, yes? Is it the CEDU propheets?
The scripts have not been made public but from what i've read, they seem more or less identical to CEDU's Propheets (other than the names).
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #109 on: November 10, 2009, 01:48:05 PM »
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And if that happens, I'll be the first one to put the dogs on the scent of the facility.

An easier way is to go to their Web Site.  If they open a new facility they will list it under either Residential Programs or Wilderness Programs (upper left hand corner).
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #110 on: November 10, 2009, 01:51:59 PM »
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Right and MBA waved that right by deciding to shut down rather than put up a defense. If they were innocent and these charges were false, why would they do that? Perhaps because DHS only touched the tip of the iceberg and MBA did not want the full details of their LifeSteps becoming public.

Yeah, it is very reminiscent of what happened with Whitmore and Cheryl Sudweeks.  Carp and bitch that these people are closing  and not copping to guilt overlooks the fact that no innocent person would buckle and enter a plea bargain to such horrible accusations with their livelihood at stake.  Like Cheryl Sudweeks, MBA is cutting their losses so they can still do business elsewhere rather than face public trial, jail and permanent blackballing.  You're full of shit if you believe MBA is doing anything other than dodging the bullet they well deserve.

Purely a business decision.  If long term profits would benefit if they stayed and fought then they would.  But innocent or guilty it makes more sense to cut the loses now, avoid a public trial and try to reopen somewhere else, maybe under another name.

Yep, so it's pretty much what the guest you quoted said....this is just like the Sudweeks and Whitmore.
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #111 on: November 10, 2009, 02:12:26 PM »
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Another way to help clarify my thoughts:

Lets say that “Big Al’s Daycare and Towing service” ( a local business model that found success because Big Al would pick-up and drop off the kids) was shut down for abuse, due to reports that children were seen playing on the edges of major highways in the area and also were present at the scenes of major car accidents on a daily basis.  After 6 months (and $300,000 in legal costs) Big Al successfully argued that he technically never broke any laws because cars naturally break down all the time and parents place their families on the side of the highway at a safe distance, which was what Big Al does so he isn’t placing the kids at any higher risk than a normal family would.  So all charges were dropped.    

The problem is that people will remember the Name “Big Al” associated with “abuse” and therefore his business will be permanently damaged.  Big Al’s only options would be to drop the Daycare from his business model or move to another state where no one associates his name with abuse.  Or he could transfer the daycare portion to his wife and call it “Big Bertha's Daycare and Septic Cleaning” and try to start anew.

Sometimes it is best to stay and fight and others to just move on.
"Big Al" could then sue the state for losses.  Why hasn't MBA done this if the claims are false?  Why hasn't MBA, like "Big Al", contested the charges against them in court?  The law not only affords a person a reasonable defense.  It also entitles a person to damages caused by false allegations.  Why isn't MBA pursuing this course if the claims against them are false.  Why not simply release the LifeSteps scripts to the public and show the world what they do if there is nothing to hide?

Also, are you suggesting that MBA is considering simply renaming their facility / transferring ownership and re-opening?
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #112 on: November 10, 2009, 02:29:09 PM »
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Why not simply release the LifeSteps scripts to the public and show the world what they do if there is nothing to hide?
AAAwwwww... then the mesmers of Mount Bachelor might lose some of their super-seekrit magic!!    ;D
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #113 on: November 10, 2009, 02:41:10 PM »
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Why not simply release the LifeSteps scripts to the public and show the world what they do if there is nothing to hide?
AAAwwwww... then the mesmers of Mount Bachelor might lose some of their super-seekrit magic!!    ;D
LOL. Or it would be revealed that it's exact same "magic" that was used by CEDU back in the day.
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #114 on: November 10, 2009, 03:23:03 PM »
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"Big Al" could then sue the state for losses.  Why hasn't MBA done this if the claims are false?  Why hasn't MBA, like "Big Al", contested the charges against them in court?  The law not only affords a person a reasonable defense.  It also entitles a person to damages caused by false allegations.

Furthermore, you can be damn sure the state was aware of these liabilities when they made their accusations.  You can be damned sure after interviewing those 100 odd kids (iirc) that they had all their i's dotted and t's crossed.  MBA backed down not because they were innocent but because they knew damn well they got caught with their pants down and there's no way to spin away the wealth of evidence.
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« Reply #115 on: November 10, 2009, 03:31:17 PM »
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Why not simply release the LifeSteps scripts to the public and show the world what they do if there is nothing to hide?
AAAwwwww... then the mesmers of Mount Bachelor might lose some of their super-seekrit magic!!    ;D
LOL. Or it would be revealed that it's exact same "magic" that was used by CEDU back in the day.
Some mulling on mesmers:

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Franz Anton Mesmer (May 23, 1734 – March 5, 1815), born Friedrich Anton Mesmer, was a German physician and astrologist, who discovered what he called magnétisme animal (animal magnetism[1]) and other spiritual forces often grouped together as mesmerism. The evolution of Mesmer's ideas and practices led Scottish surgeon James Braid to develop hypnosis in 1842. Mesmer's name is the root of the English verb "mesmerize".

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In 1775, Mesmer was invited to give his opinion before the Munich Academy of Sciences on the exorcisms carried out by Johann Joseph Gassner, a priest and healer. Mesmer said that while Gassner was sincere in his beliefs, his cures were due to the fact that he possessed a high degree of animal magnetism. This confrontation between Mesmer's secular ideas and Gassner's religious beliefs marked the end of Gassner's career as well as, according to Henri Ellenberger, the emergence of dynamic psychiatry.

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Mesmerism: Known also as animal magnetism or hypnotism - it is the practice of lulling people into a sleep-like trance for the purpose of behavior modification.

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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #116 on: November 10, 2009, 04:19:15 PM »
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"Big Al" could then sue the state for losses. Why hasn't MBA done this if the claims are false? Why hasn't MBA, like "Big Al", contested the charges against them in court? The law not only affords a person a reasonable defense. It also entitles a person to damages caused by false allegations. Why isn't MBA pursuing this course if the claims against them are false. Why not simply release the LifeSteps scripts to the public and show the world what they do if there is nothing to hide?


Because, MBA has already lost, just like “Big Al” did.  Even though Big Al won his case,he lost his business.  When the case unfolded he was front page news with big color pictures of the kids playing on the highway along with an unrelated (not so flattering) photo of  “Big Al” taken after leaving a bar at 2:00 am.  After “Big Al” won the case it was mentioned by only one small newspaper on page six in small print (on two lines).  So everyone still thought “Big Al” abused kids and had a drinking problem to boot.  The initial allegations can destroy a person or business even if they are later proved false.

As far as MBA goes, it doesn’t look good and I am really surprised that they threw in the towel that quickly. I am sure that enough of what the state  claimed against them was true and that they decided they would never survive in a public forum.  Either that or the re-start up cost and the economy just told them it made sense to cut MBA lose and let it die.  But my guess is that they F**ked up big time and didn’t want to air their dirty laundry in public.

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Also, are you suggesting that MBA is considering simply renaming their facility / transferring ownership and re-opening?
No, I dont believe people would buy it.  The rumors would linger.  My belief is that Aspen already has plans to expand elsewhere and was waiting for the economy to improve.  But now they can move forward more quickly now that they are short one “Residential” unit.  It will be interesting to see if they purchase anything in the coming months.  I believe they picked up some land in Pennsylvania a year or so ago which would be a great place for Residential with a wilderness component with the open space and mountainous terrain.
This will be interesting to follow.
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #117 on: November 10, 2009, 04:37:16 PM »
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And naturally a bear would know all about that ;-).
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #118 on: November 10, 2009, 05:01:27 PM »
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"Big Al" could then sue the state for losses. Why hasn't MBA done this if the claims are false? Why hasn't MBA, like "Big Al", contested the charges against them in court? The law not only affords a person a reasonable defense. It also entitles a person to damages caused by false allegations. Why isn't MBA pursuing this course if the claims against them are false. Why not simply release the LifeSteps scripts to the public and show the world what they do if there is nothing to hide?


Because, MBA has already lost, just like “Big Al” did.  Even though Big Al won his case,he lost his business.  When the case unfolded he was front page news with big color pictures of the kids playing on the highway along with an unrelated (not so flattering) photo of  “Big Al” taken after leaving a bar at 2:00 am.  After “Big Al” won the case it was mentioned by only one small newspaper on page six in small print (on two lines).  So everyone still thought “Big Al” abused kids and had a drinking problem to boot.  The initial allegations can destroy a person or business even if they are later proved false.

Right, but if they were in such a situation they could sue the state for the loss of income as a result of false allegations.  They didn't bother pursuing that angle.  I'm not sure if they even challenged the findings at all in any specifics.

I mean let's face it. They were torpedoed and sunk in one shot.  That email sent out to all the parents caused irreparable damage, regardless of accuracy.  If there were false statements in there as a result of negligence or actual malice, MBA would have a hell of a case.  The fact that they're choosing to bow out completely rather than contest the findings or sue for damages implies they have enough to hide that they aren't willing to be open about their practices.

What they're doing also makes good business sense for Aspen as a whole.  Who wants to be in a position where you're arguing in open court that a song a bout hand jobs, french maid outfits and all sorts of CEDU borne craziness have therapeutic value.  Even if you win the case and somehow convince a jury, you still lose when the press picks up on the details of the case and it gets attached to The Aspen name even more than it is now.  Right now Aspen can claim "we neither confirm nor deny these allegations" and make up some excuse for closing the school (license revocation or somesuch)...  Sweep the controversy under the rug quietly.  Right now they can claim in private to those concerned that they didn't know about this "bad egg".  Not taking a public stance means you can take multiple stances in private, which Aspen can definitely take advantage of.

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As far as MBA goes, it doesn’t look good and I am really surprised that they threw in the towel that quickly. I am sure that enough of what the state  claimed against them was true and that they decided they would never survive in a public forum.  Either that or the re-start up cost and the economy just told them it made sense to cut MBA lose and let it die.  But my guess is that they F**ked up big time and didn’t want to air their dirty laundry in public.

Right, and that's the school's fault, not the state's.  If they were doing things that they felt wouldn't look good to the public they probably shouldn't have been doing them at all.

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Also, are you suggesting that MBA is considering simply renaming their facility / transferring ownership and re-opening?
No, I dont believe people would buy it.  The rumors would linger.  My belief is that Aspen already has plans to expand elsewhere and was waiting for the economy to improve.  But now they can move forward more quickly now that they are short one “Residential” unit.  It will be interesting to see if they purchase anything in the coming months.  I believe they picked up some land in Pennsylvania a year or so ago which would be a great place for Residential with a wilderness component with the open space and mountainous terrain.
This will be interesting to follow.[/quote]

I'll agree it'll be interesting.
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Re: Mount Bachelor Academy Shut Down
« Reply #119 on: November 10, 2009, 06:41:04 PM »
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Right, but if they were in such a situation they could sue the state for the loss of income as a result of false allegations. They didn't bother pursuing that angle. I'm not sure if they even challenged the findings at all in any specifics.

I mean let's face it. They were torpedoed and sunk in one shot. That email sent out to all the parents caused irreparable damage, regardless of accuracy. If there were false statements in there as a result of negligence or actual malice, MBA would have a hell of a case. The fact that they're choosing to bow out completely rather than contest the findings or sue for damages implies they have enough to hide that they aren't willing to be open about their practices.
Well maybe this will finally put an end to the ”lifestep” aspect of the programs under Aspens management.  If they were truly dressing kids up in French maid outfits or making them act out sexually then the people involved should be sued or put in jail.  I cannot believe this was written into a procedure anywhere.  No company would do this or put themselves at this type of risk.  If these things did occur then it must have been locally managed and determined by a few staff to be okayed.
I think this will send a very clear message to the rest of the programs.  From what I have read there were only a few left that used this method and this exposure will probably kill the use of lifesteps in any other place.
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