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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2009, 03:31:07 PM »
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Tell yourself whatever you need to in order to assuage your guilt.  You know I hit the nail on the head.
wtf are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, jackass. :D

The 'creep' I was referring to was the one you were getting into it with, not you....  :beat:

Use your head before you click submit, why don't ya. Sheesh.  ::)
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2009, 03:33:06 PM »
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Programs flock to where they can get away with it. Lax regulation and oversight is both a precursor to judicial abuses and program construction. So the judicial abuses and Aspen's revenue aren't directly connected, but also not entirely a coincidence. Wherever there's a local culture of child abuse being okay, that's where you'll find programs.

Most businesses look for the most favorable place to establish themselves, not just programs.... low tax rate, acceptable community, ability to conduct their business with the least amount of resistence from local officials and regulations.

You are right, and let us look at the places favored by teen RTC's like Aspen.  Remote, rural counties without a lot of business willing to offer up their behinds to a player who can bring in revenue.  Counties with locals who look like they would be rejected at a Deliverance remake casting call due to "satirical hyper-realness".  In return for jobs and revenue, the Counties provide programs with a private police via the local Sheriff's department, lax inspections, and protection from State officials.


Pennsylvania is an example of a state suffering from chronic economic depression.  Outside the major cities, PA's mountains have areas of abject poverty that resemble the most impoverished regions of the Appalachians.   Poor areas will not only overlook the abuses of the program, they'll help block inquiries into the goings on.  

The poster believes businesses seek out areas with "low tax rate, acceptable community, ability to conduct their business with the least amount of resistence(sic) from local officials and regulations".

When the poster says businesses pick an area with the least "resistance", he/she means areas who will overlook regulation and not enforce existing guidelines.

It's a mystery.  The industry claims it strives to meet ethical and local guidelines, yet they seek out locations where the local cretins will overlook safety issues and strong arm restraint tactics.  Locals will accept the program's representation of itself and parrot the party line:  "Those kids are really disturbed",  "You have to whip on those J.D.'s, it's all they understand",  "Some kids don't make it but the program helps so may others, it is worth it".

This is the kind of blind faith from the community a program needs to operate. The locals have to be brought on board, if the program disgusts the locals they will become spies and hurt business.  No program can last without the locals' complicity.
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2009, 03:50:06 PM »
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...ASPEN owns no programs in Pennsylvania.

If anyone has more info on the programs involved, please do tell.

List of Aspen schools in PA:

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The highlighted programs make Aspen a suspect for involvement in the Luzerne County situation.  Add that to their financial misery and you have the picture of a very leveraged business with a strong motive to boost revenue in what has historically been their bread winner.

No, it does not look like a stretch to tie Aspen to the corruption in PA.  It is interesting that Brian didn't know Aspen had facilities in PA - I didn't either, which is why this 10 K report to the shareholders is useful.  You've got the names of all programs and the status of the property, owned or leased, and the whole board of directors to run checks on until you have a $1,000 PACER bill on your hands.
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2009, 03:51:09 PM »
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That you, or anyone else thinks they can 'problem solve' their way out of adolescence says a lot.   You remind me of Greg Ninnear's character in Little Miss Sunshine.  That loser who thinks he can "step" his way out of whatever life situation he finds himself in and then desperately trying to convince others that he has "the answer".  That he's relevant at all.   It's common practice for you to see kids as a commodity.  Their futures to be traded.  Be it you, The Who or a composite thereof,  it's telling.  Children are not commodities.  This shouldn't be an "industry" at all and the comparisons disgust most feeling people.
God, I so fully agree with you. Who the hell is this asshole coming on here pushing this line of bull expecting people to buy it? People must be really stupid to fall for this line of "reasoning." If I could just have five minutes alone with this creep....

Thats a whole different issue whether or not the industry should exist or if it is relevant or not.  What we were talking about is the industry complying with local rules as other businesses do and how they need to cope with the various privacy laws.
By the sound your post you seem to be the ass hole in this conversation.  Stay on topic or shut TF up.
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2009, 03:51:58 PM »
Addendum:  The PA facilities didn't post:

   

Cove Prep

Lancaster

New Perspectives at White Deer Run

Blue Mountain

New Directions of Cove Forge

Cove Forge Renewal Center

White Deer Run of Allentown

White Deer Run of Altoona

White Deer Run of Harrisburg

White Deer Run of Lewisburg

White Deer Run of New Castle

White Deer Run of Pottsville

White Deer Run of Williamsport

WDR of York

Cove Forge Behavioral Health System at Pittsburg

Cove Forge Behavioral Health System at Williamsburg

White Deer Run Cove Forge Manor House
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2009, 03:53:07 PM »
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Tell yourself whatever you need to in order to assuage your guilt.  You know I hit the nail on the head.
wtf are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, jackass. :D

The 'creep' I was referring to was the one you were getting into it with, not you....  :beat:

Use your head before you click submit, why don't ya. Sheesh.  ::)

Hey, it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference with all the identical promotional posts lately.  Sorry.
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2009, 04:02:39 PM »
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Programs flock to where they can get away with it. Lax regulation and oversight is both a precursor to judicial abuses and program construction. So the judicial abuses and Aspen's revenue aren't directly connected, but also not entirely a coincidence. Wherever there's a local culture of child abuse being okay, that's where you'll find programs.

Most businesses look for the most favorable place to establish themselves, not just programs.... low tax rate, acceptable community, ability to conduct their business with the least amount of resistence from local officials and regulations.

You are right, and let us look at the places favored by teen RTC's like Aspen.  Remote, rural counties without a lot of business willing to offer up their behinds to a player who can bring in revenue.  Counties with locals who look like they would be rejected at a Deliverance remake casting call due to "satirical hyper-realness".  In return for jobs and revenue, the Counties provide programs with a private police via the local Sheriff's department, lax inspections, and protection from State officials.


Pennsylvania is an example of a state suffering from chronic economic depression.  Outside the major cities, PA's mountains have areas of abject poverty that resemble the most impoverished regions of the Appalachians.   Poor areas will not only overlook the abuses of the program, they'll help block inquiries into the goings on.  

The poster believes businesses seek out areas with "low tax rate, acceptable community, ability to conduct their business with the least amount of resistence(sic) from local officials and regulations".

When the poster says businesses pick an area with the least "resistance", he/she means areas who will overlook regulation and not enforce existing guidelines.

It's a mystery.  The industry claims it strives to meet ethical and local guidelines, yet they seek out locations where the local cretins will overlook safety issues and strong arm restraint tactics.  Locals will accept the program's representation of itself and parrot the party line:  "Those kids are really disturbed",  "You have to whip on those J.D.'s, it's all they understand",  "Some kids don't make it but the program helps so may others, it is worth it".

This is the kind of blind faith from the community a program needs to operate. The locals have to be brought on board, if the program disgusts the locals they will become spies and hurt business.  No program can last without the locals' complicity.

You are putting a negative spin on it, but you have the general idea.  where would you want the programs to be placed?  If you were selling fur coats and winter jackets would you appreciate people telling you you had to set up shop in southern Texas?  or would you like to choose your own spot like Minneapolis or Pennsylvannia?

Rural areas for programs are better for many reasons.  If a kid decides to run it is easier to catch up with them in rural areas.  If a child ran off in the city he/she could be in more danger and harder to find.  Programs need to know the local officials will support them and be able to respond, they need to know they have a labor pool to draw from etc... its not just finding a place where they can abuse kids, no place like this exists.
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2009, 04:26:43 PM »
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...ASPEN owns no programs in Pennsylvania.

If anyone has more info on the programs involved, please do tell.

List of Aspen schools in PA:

[

The highlighted programs make Aspen a suspect for involvement in the Luzerne County situation.  Add that to their financial misery and you have the picture of a very leveraged business with a strong motive to boost revenue in what has historically been their bread winner.

No, it does not look like a stretch to tie Aspen to the corruption in PA.  It is interesting that Brian didn't know Aspen had facilities in PA - I didn't either, which is why this 10 K report to the shareholders is useful.  You've got the names of all programs and the status of the property, owned or leased, and the whole board of directors to run checks on until you have a $1,000 PACER bill on your hands.

The first one I checked... "Cove Prep" isnt an Aspen School.  Dropped the ball a little there.......
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2009, 04:31:39 PM »
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That you, or anyone else thinks they can 'problem solve' their way out of adolescence says a lot.   You remind me of Greg Ninnear's character in Little Miss Sunshine.  That loser who thinks he can "step" his way out of whatever life situation he finds himself in and then desperately trying to convince others that he has "the answer".  That he's relevant at all.   It's common practice for you to see kids as a commodity.  Their futures to be traded.  Be it you, The Who or a composite thereof,  it's telling.  Children are not commodities.  This shouldn't be an "industry" at all and the comparisons disgust most feeling people.
God, I so fully agree with you. Who the hell is this asshole coming on here pushing this line of bull expecting people to buy it? People must be really stupid to fall for this line of "reasoning." If I could just have five minutes alone with this creep....

Thats a whole different issue whether or not the industry should exist or if it is relevant or not.  What we were talking about is the industry complying with local rules as other businesses do and how they need to cope with the various privacy laws.
By the sound your post you seem to be the ass hole in this conversation.  Stay on topic or shut TF up.
So sorry, jerk. Fuck the "industry" and fuck you!  :twofinger:

I'll be sure to comment on this thread more often now that I know it bothers you!  :moon:
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2009, 04:41:25 PM »
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So sorry, jerk. Fuck the "industry" and fuck you!  :twofinger:

I'll be sure to comment on this thread more often now that I know it bothers you!  :moon:

Boo HooHoo, did we hurt your feelings?  A little too thin skinned to handle a disagreement.  You going to jump up and down now and blame your life on the industry.. or no wait!!  blame your parents!! But whatever you do never take any responsibility yourself.  Non of it was your fault, it just has to be someone elses.  right?
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2009, 04:45:32 PM »
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Boo HooHoo, did we hurt your feelings?  A little too thin skinned to handle a disagreement.  You going to jump up and down now and blame your life on the industry.. or no wait!!  blame your parents!! But whatever you do never take any responsibility yourself.  Non of it was your fault, it just has to be someone elses.  right?
Wtf? I'm handling it just fine. I'm not blaming anything on anyone except YOU, I blame you for what you are doing here -- trying to tell people what to post and what not to post. Kindly shove off and quit trying to bait people. You sound like a programmie for sure, though.
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2009, 05:04:29 PM »
In response to the original post:

Opioid replacement therapy is a "Cash Cow" and has become a monopoly in itself.  Methadone addicts have proven time and again that they are more willing to go without electricity and even food to get the opiates they need.  So methadone clinics are a solid business and a good place to park your money because it is highly leveraged subjected to high rates of return.

Looking to change its face and get away from the word “clinic” the opiate divisions are moving to the name “CRC’s outpatient division”. The clinics from now on will be comprehensive treatment centers, offering outpatient detox, to handle the fast growing demand for specialty methamphetamine care. In October, CRC admitted its first two patients into outpatient treatment at the methadone clinics.

If they can change the image of the opioid type clinics they may make a better impression on the neighborhoods and make it easier to be accepted.

But recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission reveal that methadone maintenance has for the last several years been a very central mainstay of CRC’s operations........ The filings also reveal that methadone is by far the most profitable segment of CRC’s now far flung addiction treatment business. ....... CRC grew its methadone operation by about 130 percent, with annual opiate revenues reaching almost $84 million, which equaled 40 percent of CRC’s sales ...... However, during the same period, operating profits from the methadone segment soared by 240 percent, suggesting that CRC has been able to bring substantial economy of scale efficiencies to the business. Marketing prowess also comes into play, as 82 percent of clients are private pay, with clinics averaging 428 clients each, twice the industry norm. And the profitability of CRC’s methadone business far outstrips that of its residential segment, with operating margins from the opiate division reaching an eyepopping 37 percent ...... versus the 26 percent operating margins registered by residential treatment. Despite Karlin’s protestation that debt leverage at CRC has been “modest,” the company has in fact for years been quite a leveraged enterprise, reflecting the desire of big institutional and private equity investors like Credit Suisse, the Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System and, more recently, Bain Capital, to earn outsize returns.[/b]
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2009, 05:22:15 PM »
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Cove Prep

Lancaster

New Perspectives at White Deer Run

Blue Mountain

New Directions of Cove Forge

Cove Forge Renewal Center

White Deer Run of Allentown

White Deer Run of Altoona

White Deer Run of Harrisburg

White Deer Run of Lewisburg

White Deer Run of New Castle

White Deer Run of Pottsville

White Deer Run of Williamsport

WDR of York

Cove Forge Behavioral Health System at Pittsburg

Cove Forge Behavioral Health System at Williamsburg

White Deer Run Cove Forge Manor House

Seems like splitting hairs but those are programs owned by CRC Health, they are not Aspen programs (yes, I know CRC owns Aspen)

It's not inconceivable that Aspen would try to build new programs in rural Pennsylvania, but as it pertains to the actual programs that kids were sent to for kickbacks there are other bad actors to examine other that Aspen or CRC.
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2009, 07:01:19 PM »
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Seems like splitting hairs but those are programs owned by CRC Health, they are not Aspen programs (yes, I know CRC owns Aspen)

Yeah, Aspen is Mickey Mouse to CRC's Disney World, the Disturbed Kingdom.  If CRC doesn't differentiate between them, I don't either.  Is there a separate forum for CRC programs?

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It's not inconceivable that Aspen would try to build new programs in rural Pennsylvania, but as it pertains to the actual programs that kids were sent to for kickbacks there are other bad actors to examine other that Aspen or CRC.

Many bad actors, but which are well-heeled?  

Quote from: "MICHAEL RUBINKAM Associated Press Writer"

http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/f/1310/10 ... 09_11.html

After being found delinquent, the youths were often shackled and taken to private jails whose owner was paying bribes to the judge. Federal prosecutors have said that Ciavarella and another Luzerne County judge, Michael Conahan, took a total of $2.8 million in payoffs
.

2.8 million indicates some serious resources and the article implies the owner paying bribes had multiple "private jails".  It's wishful thinking to hang it on Aspen at the moment and nothing more, so...eh.  It's a happy thought.  Who are the other possibilities?
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Re: CRC Health Annual Report: "Highly Leveraged"
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2009, 07:40:10 PM »
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Is there a separate forum for CRC programs?

No I dont believe there is, but you can ask psy or ginger if you saw a need to break it out.  You could have CRC and then Aspen as a subset of that as their parent company.  I haven’t seen much activity here on fornits on the CRC drug rehab programs or their opiate clinics so I dont personally see a need.  Aspen seems to stick with their little therapeutic boarding school niche and wilderness therapy.
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