Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions
Psy was definitely not abused.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?" ---He must have went to Benchmark for a good reason, yes?
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That implies you are aware teens get sent to programs for bad reasons, yes?
psy:
--- Quote from: "Michael Crawford mentally unfit." ---Michael Crawford aka. "Psy" was mentally unfit. I saw his files.
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Either you're lying in which case you've defamed both me and Benchmark with actual malice (and they sue people, believe you me)... Or you're telling the truth (partially) and Benchmark did something very very unethical (sharing my records). I'm partial to the prior because the records don't paint me as crazy. If anything they paint the program as crazy. I had to fight to get them back in full. They weren't exactly compliant until I got a lawyer involved.
As to the rest of the accusations, Che covered most of it (thanks, btw), though I might add that benchmark denies students their rightful property, identification, and money if they choose to leave. We saw, and recorded on video tape, them doing this to another student. As Che has noted, the area isn't exactly stellar anyway and there aren't any homeless shelters either... And all the other allegations have been answered elsewhere.
And to mister anti defamation whoever. Many have tried to bring legal action against this site and have failed. Go right ahead and be the next boob to embarrass yourself. This site itself is not responsible and never will be for the postings of the forum's individual users. Google has the exact same policy for the exact same reason. Read communications decency act section 230 or check out google's explanation:
http://www.google.com/support/blogger/b ... swer=60835
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tl;dr: we provide a service. If people misuse those services it's on them, not us.
And Ginger and myself have been sued as well, personally. In her case her representation was free. In my case my representation took the case on a contingent fee basis and took the plaintiff to the cleaners using anti-SLAPP legislation. If you want to try that approach and lose yourself a whole lot of money, be my guest. Threats don't work against me, antigen, or mostly anybody who cares about this issue enough to post. All it does is make you look desperate, petty, and frankly, a bit unstable. Mostly anything I've said I've said in general terms about programs in general. I don't claim to have inside knowledge about any particular program unless I actually do. To the extent my opinions piss you off, I suggest you man up, grow a sack, and reread the constitution.
Anonymous:
Psy has now confirmed that he
*Voluntarily entered a treatment program as an adult*
*Could of left at any time*
*Was not abused*
I guess that is why Psy also considers AA, religion, and any other voluntary organization adults participate in to be cults and abusive as well. Only the extreme of the extreme misguided person could possibly hold this illogical view.
The proof that Benchmark is not abusive also comes from the fact Psy and Che went to Benchmark with the intent to lure kids away. They even offered them money, help and a place to stay. How many of these 'oppressed detainees' took their offer? Not one, not a single one. Ironically they actually went and proved the opposite of their intent, kind of funny really.
psy:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Psy has now confirmed that he
*Voluntarily entered a treatment program as an adult*
*Could of left at any time*
*Was not abused*
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I didn't confirm anything. I just didn't address certain topics, such as the above, which were already addressed elsewhere in great depth. Use the search function or add site:fornits.com to a google query.
--- Quote ---I guess that is why Psy also considers AA, religion, and any other voluntary organization adults participate in to be cults and abusive as well.
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No. I don't consider any of those things to be inherently cults, though there are some AA chapters that have crossed the line into full blown cults, there are churches that have gone over that line, and there are programs for adults that have crossed that line (most famously, Synanon). Any group of almost any sort has the potential to become a cult. I use Margaret singer's criteria to apply the word. She required three things:
1: origin of the group
2: use of thought reform (read robert lifton about this)
3: structure of the group (like an inverted T)
Many programs fit those three criteria and so I would label them cults. Is every program a cult? no. To say that would be prejudiced. Are the vast vast majority of programs for teens in the US descended from Synanon, do they use thought reform, and are they authoritarian? Yes.
--- Quote ---The proof that Benchmark is not abusive also comes from the fact Psy and Che went to Benchmark with the intent to lure kids away. They even offered them money, help and a place to stay. How many of these 'oppressed detainees' took their offer? Not one, not a single one. Ironically they actually went and proved the opposite of their intent, kind of funny really.
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That's because most in the program proper don't understand the system is (IMO) rigged against them in such a way that they'll be there until their parents run out of money. The ones in the program proper were also told many lies about us. They were told that we were on drugs. They were told that I had been denied a security clearance. They were told that I was fired from my job. They were told that we were lying and would not help them. Those are just some of the practical reasons. I could go on for pages on why... without even mentioning thought reform, which was a big part of it, imo.
One kid did decide to go, though, and the program went to almost comical lengths to prevent him from succeeding. Read the benchmark ylf hilarity ensues thread that documents it. It has much video content and so forth explaining all this.
Curious George:
Psy,
Way to go...kick guests' teeth in.
By the way, CALO does the exact same thing. They deny individuals their therapy records as well and keep the money to boot, they cite confidentiality or non payment of last months tuition or some garbage like that. When pushed, Ken even likes to yell at the parents and make threats. Seems a recurring theme. 2.5 hours of "therapy" for $10K a month, deny parents what is legally theirs, pretend to deliver trust of care, free slave labor...use the kids as landscapers and janitors....What a joke. They told us the children would have 24/7 access to professional therapists. I guess that meant 2.5 hrs of a licensed therapist telling us "how does that make YOU feel" and 21.5 hrs of some uneducated kid making $9.00/hr for the rest. JOKE JOKE BS BS BS and one more JOKE. + more BS.
Guest is some seriously damaged goods. But it's good to know they exist and good to have a defense against them, the truth and the law, and if that doesn't work, a big stick when necessary.
CG
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