Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Troll Control:
Whooter has been busy impersonating a research scientist from Canyon Research. Too much!
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Are there any other groups anyone can suggest which would be help translate what Mark witnessed (fraud) by Aspen Education Group into a criminal or civil action?
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This would be a good idea and would force many of these organizations like heal, issacorp,cafety and fornits to face the truth about what these studies have uncovered. If there were a civil suit then the studies could no longer be ignored by these people.
It amazes me why they chose to ignore information like this. Their position is getting weaker and weaker as the industry grows yet they stay on their present course. Why not try to get out and help some of these kids and their families. It is a much more satisfying than trying to deceive people and tear them down.
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It is because they work in half truths. they dont want to accept the studies because it goes against what they are working towards. Any type of study is going to damage them because the studies show the industry to be effective and safe every time.
If you called Heal or the others and told them you were abused in a program they would take you at face value and report it as truth. But on the other hand if you provide them with facts and studies they reject it and the information never gets reported.
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Thank you for clearing this up. I will not continue to post here if the trolling doesn’t stop. I came to fornits to discuss the canyon research study and no one here seems to be interested. The other sites didn’t want the truth either. Part of me thinks these sites are behind the trolling. The study is valid and shows the programs to be extemely effective.
Mark DeGroot I couldn’t log in
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Even signing "Mark DeGroot" at the bottom.
And again:
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--- Quote ---MARK: PLEASE CONTACT ISAC, HEAL, AND CAFETY.
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I tried all of those organizations and none of them were interested in talking to me. It seems they only wanted to hear negative things about the industry and disregarded any facts that I presented. Then I come here to fornits and feel I am getting pushed out by all the trolling.
Why is this? Why not have a valid discussion?
Mark DeGroot
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And here he's claiming again to be "Mark DeGroot" and feigning interest in Dave Marcus' book which he has pimped here for ears, but as "Mark DeGroot" he is keen to this "fresh information." LOLS.
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--- Quote ---Try making a few posts that you were abused in a program and then try making a few posts that says you were helped by one or introduce a study. See if you are welcomed equally
Interesting to say the least.
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Maybe it's time to move the only positive program reviews away from the referral pimp sites and just push it all out onto yelp. The good, the bad, the whatever.
Might as well. Consumer reviews and feedback are always fun to read.
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Wow. Irony.
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Imagine if a Pulitzer prized author decided to investigate the Industry and joins a peer group and lives at a program 24/7 for over a year and then writes a book about his findings. Wouldn’t you think this would be valuable information? Do you think it
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I don’t understand why people would try to impersonate me and twist my words. The last post used my name but was not written by me. I thought by getting a user name this would stop.
The research done by Canyon Research and Consulting was a good solid study. The people working there are dedicated and professional. This attempt to damage their reputation and the results is appalling and void of any truth or bases.
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And he even squeals with delight as a guest claiming "Whooter is watching from the sidelines." How rich this is.
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You're not fooling anyone, Whooter. Every time you try to say "Brucie did it" it's a dead giveaway you're lying.
Let's be clear: TheWho stole Mark DeGroot's identity here on Fornits. The guy guy logging in as "Mark DeGroot" is TheWho and then he tries to blame it on "Bruce". Don't be scammed by TheWho. And TheWho is John Reuben, so John Reuben does post here, he just does it posing as several other people, the latest is "Mark DeGroot" whose identity he assumed in the name of "adding balance to the discussion".
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Sorry Bruce, but your writing style gives you away every time. You always try to blame all the guest posts on thewho, aka Cindy, aka Rueben. If it werent so funny it would be sad.
But I am with the other poster. It is fun to watch and I am sure Whooter is getting a hoot watching all of this from the sidelines lol ;D
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SUCK IT:
Money doesn't abuse children, staffers do. You were payed well to abuse children, this is a fact you have already admitted to. Tell us, how much blood money did you manage to pocket? Do you ever consider donating that blood money to a survivors fund?
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---Because they know what will happen to them if they tell the truth. They''re desperate (edited to add: and will say whatever they need to in order to get out. That's what I did.
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Us too. Suck it, you remember what it was like don't you? Whenever the ed cons would show up, they would hide away the bad (honest) kids, and only put forward the ones who would say what they told them to say.
Suck it, tell us again what program you were in?
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--- Quote ---Because they know what will happen to them if they tell the truth. They''re desperate (edited to add: and will say whatever they need to in order to get out. That's what I did.
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Us too. Suck it, you remember what it was like don't you? Whenever the ed cons would show up, they would hide away the bad (honest) kids, and only put forward the ones who would say what they told them to say.
Suck it, tell us again what program you were in?
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Look, DJ eeeerrrr I mean, Bruce, I dont think he will fall for your tricks.
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RobertBruce:
Are you talking to DJ or me? And what tricks are you refering to?
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