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Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Troll Control:
Studies don't exclude things. They include things. Only the facilities inlcuded are in those studies, which you clearly did not even look at or read. There are close to a thousand pages in those docs and you just claimed to read them in ten minutes. Sure, Whooter. We believe that.
Let's play fantasy for moment though. If Aspen were included, it would have dragged the results down. Aspen's 31% success rate would kill the average of 60-80%. So we could conclude, using your logic, programs other than Aspen would have even a higher sucess rate than 60-80%.
Behrens studied Aspen directly and found a 31% success rate. No avoiding that fact.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Studies don't exclude things. They include things.
--- End quote ---
I think we agree,
Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
So you said that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates.
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Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Studies don't exclude things. They include things.
--- End quote ---
I think we agree,
Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
So you said that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates.
...
--- End quote ---
Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991. Can you provide the text from any of these studies that shows Aspen Education was studied? They clearly don't mention any Aspen programs.
However, Behrens' work is only about Aspen programs and she concluded that Aspen was 31% successful compared to up to 80% for non-Aspen facilities. Non-Aspen facilities were two and a half times more successful than Aspen facilities. Wow.
No wonder Whooter doesn't want to talk about Aspen anymore. Now he's advocating non-Aspen facilities! He has converted. It's a miracle. Whooter now agrees that Aspen has little success compared to others. So little, in fact, that he has abandoned the Behrens study completely!
I guess he'll need to find some other Holy Grail for Aspen marketing. This one is destroyed beyond repair.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.
"longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates.
--- End quote ---
Besides the 60 - 80% success rate some of the other Study findings:
In general, both adolescents and
parents reported a significant decline in symptoms from admission to discharge, on all scales of
the YSR and CBCL.
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Troll Control:
Which study is that, Whooter? It's not Behrens! And you phonied up your last quote of me. I never said this in that post, but you slipped it in there to make it look like I did: "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates" Such a liar, Whooter. Shame on you!
You quit referring to it now. But it's too late. It's the #1 hit in Google now - "Programs in Behrens Study Charged with Abuse." The more you respond, the further up these topics go.
Your obsession is killing your masters' income. Bain/CRC/Aspen will be unhappy that you aren't upholding your FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILTY to them. You're killing their bottom line with your mental illness. :rofl:
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