Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Troll Control:
Let's have a look at Behrens' numbers from her report:
--- Quote from: "Behrens Study" ---31% reported improvement that exceeded the 2 standard deviation cut-off for reliable change (>28 raw score points) and 50% reported improvement below the cut-off for reliable change.
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So, after up to two years of being at Aspen programs, the reliable change data rate for participants is a mere 31% compared to 60-80% for traditional inpatient treatment. And this is self-report data that Behrens admits is biased to make the kids look better than they actually are to justify their being discharged. Unbiased data would show a much lower number.
No wonder Whooter doesn't want to talk about Behrens! He only wants to talk about the other researchers who studied traditional treatment and try to conflate the two.
Aspen - up to 2 years and up to $175K for a 31% positive change self-report with no follow up to assess permanency of change
Traditional - up to 90 days, covered by insurance, 60-80% improvement in longitudinal clinical trials
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
Traditional - up to 90 days, covered by insurance, 60-80% improvement in longitudinal clinical trials
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I didnt see where Traditional = up to 90 days and I also didnt see the report reference traditional.
Lets take another look:
Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
So you said that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
Traditional - up to 90 days, covered by insurance, 60-80% improvement in longitudinal clinical trials
--- End quote ---
I didnt see where Traditional = up to 90 days and I also didnt see the report reference traditional.
Lets take another look:
Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
So you said that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates.
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Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
Traditional - up to 90 days, covered by insurance, 60-80% improvement in longitudinal clinical trials
--- End quote ---
I didnt see where Traditional = up to 90 days and I also didnt see the report reference traditional.
Lets take another look:
Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
So you said that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates.
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Look up these references:
Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991.
You will find source material in the biblio and you can read it yourself.
Bottom line: Behrens' study showed a 31% "success rate" for Aspen Education programs. Her study has nothing to do with the ones listed above.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---
Traditional - up to 90 days, covered by insurance, 60-80% improvement in longitudinal clinical trials
--- End quote ---
I didnt see where Traditional = up to 90 days and I also didnt see the report reference traditional.
Lets take another look:
Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
So you said that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates.
...
--- End quote ---
Look up these references:
Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991.
You will find source material in the biblio and you can read it yourself.
Bottom line: Behrens' study showed a 31% "success rate" for Aspen Education programs. Her study has nothing to do with the ones listed above.
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Thanks I checked and they didnt exclude Aspen Programs in the study. It specified "Residential Treatment"...not "Residential Treatment except Aspen" lol.
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