Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Yeah, it is a sort of voodoo, I suppose. Since Aspen Education provides no treatment, as per their sworn statements in court, Behrens' work has to be phony. Renowned psychologist Dr. Friedman of FSU says it's marketing material. He studies treatment programs professionally.
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Why not provide a link to where he says that about the study. You lied on your last post, you shooting for 2 in a row?
Throw the link up...
Here something like this:
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
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Troll Control:
Dr. Friedman clearly states here that:
--- Quote from: "Dr. Friedman" ---Currently, the only information available about most of these programs comes from their own marketing efforts and there is no systematic, independently collected descriptive or outcome data on these programs.
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"...no systematic, independently collected descriptive or outcome data on these programs."
None. Zip. Nada. He does this research for a living. So where's the lie? Are you now accusing Dr. Friedman of being a liar? I think I believe his word over yours, Whooter. No offense, but you're just an idiot on the internet and he's a research professional and a doctor of psychology.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.
--- Quote from: "Behrens" ---Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
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So traditional treatment is proven to be more effective than Aspen programs, as Behrens readily admits right in the study.
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So we can agree where you said that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates.
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Troll Control:
I already said yes, we agree on that, with the caveat that Aspen programs, studied by Behrens, do not provide treatment as their lawyers stated under oath in court in a lawsuit and that the treatment studied by the researchers you are citing followed adolescents through 30 to 90 day traditional inpatient treatment.
Aspen programs aren't inlcuded in that data because they are not residential treatment, they are just residential, sort of like a secure juvenile facility.
Makes me wonder why Whooter never actually gives the "success rates" that Behrens claimed. They are significantly lower than traditional inpatient treatment and take two years plus your life savings not to mention their facilities have been charged with abuse, neglect and even killing kids - the very programs Behrens used for the study! I'd try to avoid that too if I were marketing Aspen lockups.
So, we've gone from "DJ you lied!!" to "DJ we agree" in the span of two posts. Kinda thought that would happen once Whooter got caught with his hand in the cookie jar again. :beat: :rofl:
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---I already said yes, we agree on that, with the caveat that Aspen programs, studied by Behrens, do not provide treatment as their lawyers stated under oath in court in a lawsuit and that the treatment studied by the researchers you are citing followed adolescents through 30 to 90 day traditional inpatient treatment.
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No, it doesnt say that. sometimes it helps to go back to the original quotes:
--- Quote ---Dysfunction Junction wrote:Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.
Behrens wrote:Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
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It doesnt mention it is limited to 30-90 day programs or excludes Aspen Programs. You may have mixed that up with another post you were reading.
So you said that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates.
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
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