Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---No, you didn't do that. The mods did it 5 years ago, but you've been posting under a dozen or so names since then. I use only one username. You recently admitted to this but refused to list your aliases. Sorry that upsets you so badly, that you're a proven phony, like the Berens study.
You're just taking a straight-up whipping here today and you're tired and cranky. I sense BAWWW coming on. :waaaa:
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Your still afraid, DJ, or you would have had it done. You ran away twice. No getting around it.
The study has been released and presented before the APA and had third party oversight. Its fun to watch you try to bury these facts.
Famous last words Show me a study!!!... lol
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I'll bet that arguing with DJ is kinda like your comfort zone right now..
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No, not really, but it keeps this thread up at the top where people can get a glimpse of the study. DJ helps accomplish this. People would get pissed if I just kept posting the study links over and over again just to keep the thread up at the top.
Without DJ this thread would be way back on page 6 and everyone would have forgotten about the study by now. So its good that new readers get to see it.
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
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Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---We just have to keep in mind that Behrens looked at Aspen programs and Aspen has argued in court that they don't provide any treatment.
Only treatment facilities were studied by the researchers cited by Behrens. Aspen could not have been included since they provide no treatment and therefore Whooter's fallacious logic that Aspen falls under the other research fails the smell test. Whooter is trying mislead people into believing that other researchers studied programs, but they didn't. Behrens did and even her biased survey work concludes a much, much lower "success rate" than traditional treatment which is up to 80% effective.
Plus, if you look at those studies, they reference 30 to 90 day inpatient treatment facilities. Aspen is a 2 year behavior modification program with no treatment.
I only wonder why Whooter has posted probably more than 100 times that the Aspen programs have an 80% success rate when no data suggest that at all. Probably because of his fiduciary interest in Aspen.
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Oh No!!! Aspen doesnt provide any treatment at all? Why didnt someone tell us? lol How did all these kids get better then? Were they all brain washed? Its been decades and the kids are still doing well went to college raising families, having reunions with their peer groups... what are they going to do when the brainwashing wears off?
Someone should send an email to the APA!!
DJ, I think you single handedly debunked the entire study
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Well, it's debunked alright, but I can't take all of the credit. Aspen Education Group lawyers get most of it. Here, have a look:
--- Quote from: "Aspen Ed Attorneys" ---Aspen Education Group does not provide a therapeutic milieu that is conformative to standards, provide medically recognized therapy, medically accredited personnel, or treatment centers for mental disorder or drug abuse, Aspen's own lawyers successfully argued in Pence v. Aspen Education Group.
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Good thing they got the study posted on the marketing page before this news came out! Can't study Aspen "residential treatment centers" because none exist. It's like studying Bigfoot or the Chupacabra. :rofl:
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Still not sure how Behrens studied something that Aspen Ed says doesn't exist. It's a mystery...
elangraduate:
WHOOTER ( STICC Founder John Reuben ) IS ADDICTED TO ASPEN PROGRAM BROCHURES!!! NOT GOOD, THEY HAVE MANY CHILDREN IN THEM!!! QUICK CALL MA STATE POLICE.....
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Whooter:
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Still not sure how Behrens studied something that Aspen Ed says doesn't exist. It's a mystery...
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Hmmm... me too... might be voodoo!
Lets all take a look and see how it was done:
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
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Troll Control:
Yeah, it is a sort of voodoo, I suppose. Since Aspen Education provides no treatment, as per their sworn statements in court, Behrens' work has to be phony. Renowned psychologist Dr. Friedman of FSU says it's marketing material. He studies treatment programs professionally.
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