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Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
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--- Quote ---...the only information available about most of these programs comes from their own marketing efforts and there is no systematic, independently collected descriptive or outcome data on these programs.
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I think the point the good doctor was making is that the study you keep referring to was not independent nor valid, but rather a marketing tool. I tend to believe bonafide psychologists over Aspen marketers.
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Repetitive spam-trolling won't make this go away. True professionals disagree with Whooter and Aspen. So do Aspen's lawyers who say Aspen provides no treatment.
The good news is that while Behrens was looking for the mythical Aspen treatment program, she found the Chupacabra and Bigfoot whilst she rode upon a unicorn with a leprechaun.
Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---We have come a long way. A few weeks ago many people had never heard of the Residential Treatment Outcome Study performed by Canyon Research. They looked at close to 1,000 children and families and found that the programs studied where up to 80% effective.
Dysfunction junction and myself managed to put the spot light on this study over the past day or two and were able to nail down that the study was indeed independent and was overseen by an independent third party in the form of a Review Board (WIRB). From WIRB’s documents:
The IRB also reviews the consent form (which they did for the Aspen Study) for the research to make sure that it is accurate. If it approves the research, the IRB continues to review the ongoing research after it starts. (This is called oversight).
WIRB reviewed the consent forms and approved the study and issued “Certificates of approval” as was pointed out in the study itself and presented to the APA.
Here are some supportive links and information as we stand today:
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.
The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
Here are copies of their "Certificate of Approval" forms
Sample 1
Sample 2
at the bottom of page 2 it states:
Federal regulations require that WIRB conduct continuing review of approved research. You will receive Continuing
Review Report forms from WIRB. These reports must be returned even though your study may not have started.
The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** As a disclaimer Dysfunction Junction of fornits was mistaken the first time when he said WIRB never heard of the study. What he meant was he called WIRB and they did hear of the study but said they only approved the Questionnaire. So we need to consider DJs' input/opinion against the published facts.
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Do you realize that you are perhaps, the biggest liar I ever met?
Whooter, just an ordinary man, whose daughter went to a program, and now spends the rest of his life fighting for programs.. Give me a fucking break. You must think we are all the stupidest fucking people in the world.
You're like a walking infomercial.
Paul
Dr. Acula:
:rofl:
Whooter:
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Do you realize that you are perhaps, the biggest liar I ever met?
Whooter, just an ordinary man, whose daughter went to a program, and now spends the rest of his life fighting for programs.. Give me a fucking break. You must think we are all the stupidest fucking people in the world.
You're like a walking infomercial.
Paul
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Right and you want us to believe your name is Pope Paul St. John. Your like a walking Catholic Church. Do you wear a Mitre to bed?
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Paul St. John:
Okay, so let's say that's not my real name, which it is..
but for arguments sake, let's say not....
that makes it okay, that every thing you represent about yourself here, is a lie... I don t think so...
I think it leaves you with zero credibility....
Paul St. John
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