Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Whooter:
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Yeah, he should take a break and learn to read. Those studies were cited by Behrens and in order to actually check the reference out, you'd need to look it up in th biblio and then read the source. Whooter is just stupid and lazy.
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Hmmm, Stupid and lazy. Lets take another look at DJ's own post which started this:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.
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So just to clear it up, DJ summarizes that other researchers conclude up to 80% success using longitudinal Clinical studies of residential Treatment.
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Troll Control:
AND... Whooter is too stupid and lazy to read those studies. Probably doesn't understand the bibliography is at the end of the study and the sources can be viewed with just a bit of effort. He needs to be spoonfed due to his stupidity and laziness.
The part I corrected Whooter about was the types of treatment studied by those researchers which can be found in their work not the Behrens work. Forgive him his stupidity and laziness. He'll eventually catch on.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---AND... Whooter is too stupid and lazy to read those studies. Probably doesn't understand the bibliography is at the end of the study and the sources can be viewed with just a bit of effort. He needs to be spoonfed due to his stupidity and laziness.
The part I corrected Whooter about was the types of treatment studied by those researchers which can be found in their work not the Behrens work. Forgive him his stupidity and laziness. He'll eventually catch on.
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Oh No!! I am stupid and lazy again?
Lets look at "Their work" as DJ puts it:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.
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So just to clear it up, DJ summarizes that other researchers (Their work) conclude up to 80% success using longitudinal Clinical studies of residential Treatment.
Hmmmmm... DJ I think we are beginning to agree here.
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Troll Control:
We just have to keep in mind that Behrens looked at Aspen programs and Aspen has argued in court that they don't provide any treatment.
Only treatment facilities were studied by the researchers cited by Behrens. Aspen could not have been included since they provide no treatment and therefore Whooter's fallacious logic that Aspen falls under the other research fails the smell test. Whooter is trying mislead people into believing that other researchers studied programs, but they didn't. Behrens did and even her biased survey work concludes a much, much lower "success rate" than traditional treatment which is up to 80% effective.
Plus, if you look at those studies, they reference 30 to 90 day inpatient treatment facilities. Aspen is a 2 year behavior modification program with no treatment.
I only wonder why Whooter has posted probably more than 100 times that the Aspen programs have an 80% success rate when no data suggest that at all. Probably because of his fiduciary interest in Aspen.
elangraduate:
WHOOTER STILL DEFENDING PROGRAMS THAT RAPE, BEAT, MURDER AND TORTURE CHILDREN?
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