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Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Whooter:
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Because it is not biased,Anne
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:rofl: :rofl: :beat:
--- Quote ---Well now there is an independent study which was overseen by a third party for conflict of interest and insure the safety of the study participants and the study results were presented to the APA convention.
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No, there's not.
--- Quote ---If you really feel it is flawed in anyway this needs to be taken up with the oversight committee (not here on fornits).
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Right. I shouldn't talk about my opinions about that biased survey you keep trying to shove down everyone's throats as a clinical, longitudinal study. Got it. ::)[/quote][/quote][/quote]
You are not making sense. I never said this "Aspen Study" was a clinical study or longitudinal (I was quoting DJ's post taken from within the body of the study itself). Behrens focused on Aspen Programs. The 60-80% success rate was a clinical study performed on the industry as a whole at that time.. (not just Aspen).
You close your eyes to the fact that the study received third party oversight and it was presented at the APA convention. You cant change the facts Anne. If it received oversight and you feel there are conflicts of interest that they missed then you need to take it up with them. If you look at WIRB's web site you will see that they cover "Conflict of Interest" as part of their oversight. So to say there is a conflict of interest with this study is a false statement.
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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote ---I never said this "Aspen Study" was a clinical study or longitudinal
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Then what good is it?
photo man:
- Patricia R. Abreu "LESBIAN TOUCH" - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote ---I never said this "Aspen Study" was a clinical study or longitudinal
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Then what good is it?
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Read it! there were a 1,000 kids and parents involved in the study, then make up your mind. What good is a survivor story if it hasn't been published or verified by a third party or scrutinized by a professional?
See what I mean? You can reject the study if you like (anyone can). But the study stands in the professional community where it was delivered and presented. You cant change that, no one can.
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Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---The 60-80% success rate was a clinical study performed on the industry as a whole at that time.
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No, that's false. They were studies performed on traditional residential treatment where long-term stays are up to 90 days, not 24 months like in programs. This 90 day model showed up to an 80% success rate. Whooter has been trying to pass off this research as Behrens' conclusions for years, but he obviously never read the study or is just flat out lying about it.
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---But the study stands in the professional community
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No, it doesn't. It was never peer reviewed or published, so the "professional community" can't even take it seriously, if they even know about it. It has only been displayed on Aspen's marketing website and copied from there to other TTI websites, none of which have anything to do with the "professional community" whatsoever.
No phase two follow up either, which now can never be done at all because it had to be done after 12 months and it has been almost five years. It's garbage, plain and simple.
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