Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Anne, I will let you and DJ add in the disclaimers. You need to keep busy and it will keep the study results more visible this way
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Why can't you, just once, be honest about this? It's a biased "study" of Aspen, bought and paid for by Aspen with no follow up and nothing that can come even close to being termed "longitudinal". Those are the facts that you choose to leave out of your incesant peddling of that "study" (read...exit survey).
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Because it is not biased,Anne (it received third party oversight), people are using this as an excuse because they dont like the results. You have been rejecting written papers, research written by students who had open access to the programs and individual accounts were tossed aside claiming the kids were brainwashed.
Well now there is an independent study which was overseen by a third party for conflict of interest and insure the safety of the study participants and the study results were presented to the APA convention.
If you really feel it is flawed in anyway this needs to be taken up with the oversight committee (not here on fornits). I cant publish the paper in a journal and we cant invalidate the study because one person wants it published in a journal or another wanted a different oversight done. These points need to be taken up with WIRB. No one besides people here on fornits has rejected this study... think about it.
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Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---The "disclaimers" come right from the body of the study. The researcher comes right out and says there's self-report bias, results from kids who quit the program were tossed out, parents had strong bias, staff "confronted" parents when they tried to pull their kid, no control group, etc.
Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.
--- Quote from: "Behrens" ---Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
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So traditional treatment is proven to be more effective than Aspen programs, as Behrens readily admits right in the study.
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So we agree that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates. Has this been published in a journal? lol.
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Anne Bonney:
[quote="Whooter
Because it is not biased,Anne [/quote]
:rofl: :rofl: :beat:
--- Quote ---Well now there is an independent study which was overseen by a third party for conflict of interest and insure the safety of the study participants and the study results were presented to the APA convention.
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No, there's not.
--- Quote ---If you really feel it is flawed in anyway this needs to be taken up with the oversight committee (not here on fornits).
--- End quote ---
Right. I shouldn't talk about my opinions about that biased survey you keep trying to shove down everyone's throats as a clinical, longitudinal study. Got it. ::)
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---The "disclaimers" come right from the body of the study. The researcher comes right out and says there's self-report bias, results from kids who quit the program were tossed out, parents had strong bias, staff "confronted" parents when they tried to pull their kid, no control group, etc.
Whooter also keeps saying "up to 80%" success, but that is not concluded by Behrens, it's concluded by other researchers using longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment and has nothing whatsoever to do with Aspen programs or Behrens.
--- Quote from: "Behrens" ---Though reported outcomes vary widely,
ranging from about 25 % to 80%, reviews suggest that 60%-80% of adolescents improve during
residential treatment (Curry, 1991; Curtis et al., 2001; Epstein, 2004; Hair, 2005; Wells, 1991).
--- End quote ---
So traditional treatment is proven to be more effective than Aspen programs, as Behrens readily admits right in the study.
--- End quote ---
So we agree that "longitudinal clinical studies of residential treatment" has shown 60- 80% success rates. Has this been published in a journal? lol.
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Did you hurt yourself with that one? Talk about reaching! You stretched the truth out til ya broke it!
photo man:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Anne, I will let you and DJ add in the disclaimers. You need to keep busy and it will keep the study results more visible this way
--- End quote ---
Why can't you, just once, be honest about this? It's a biased "study" of Aspen, bought and paid for by Aspen with no follow up and nothing that can come even close to being termed "longitudinal". Those are the facts that you choose to leave out of your incesant peddling of that "study" (read...exit survey).
--- End quote ---
Because it is not biased,Anne (it received third party oversight), people are using this as an excuse because they dont like the results. You have been rejecting written papers, research written by students who had open access to the programs and individual accounts were tossed aside claiming the kids were brainwashed.
Well now there is an independent study which was overseen by a third party for conflict of interest and insure the safety of the study participants and the study results were presented to the APA convention.
If you really feel it is flawed in anyway this needs to be taken up with the oversight committee (not here on fornits). I cant publish the paper in a journal and we cant invalidate the study because one person wants it published in a journal or another wanted a different oversight done. These points need to be taken up with WIRB. No one besides people here on fornits has rejected this study... think about it.
...
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