Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG
Pile of Dead Kids:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---Several years of embarassing yourself will never come to an end, Whooter. Your "case" is coooked, but that's not about to stop you from posting more shit.
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Whooter:
We have come a long way. A few weeks ago many people had never heard of the Residential Treatment Outcome Study performed by Canyon Research. They looked at close to 1,000 children and families and found that the programs studied where up to 80% effective.
Dysfunction junction and myself managed to put the spot light on this study over the past day or two and were able to nail down that the study was indeed independent and was overseen by an independent third party in the form of a Review Board (WIRB). From WIRB’s documents:
The IRB also reviews the consent form (which they did for the Aspen Study) for the research to make sure that it is accurate. If it approves the research, the IRB continues to review the ongoing research after it starts. (This is called oversight).
WIRB reviewed the consent forms and approved the study and issued “Certificates of approval” as was pointed out in the study itself and presented to the APA.
Here are some supportive links and information as we stand today:
Residential Treatment Outcome-Study
Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.
The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
Here are copies of their "Certificate of Approval" forms
Sample 1
Sample 2
at the bottom of page 2 it states:
Federal regulations require that WIRB conduct continuing review of approved research. You will receive Continuing
Review Report forms from WIRB. These reports must be returned even though your study may not have started.
The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** As a disclaimer Dysfunction Junction of fornits was mistaken the first time when he said WIRB never heard of the study. What he meant was he called WIRB and they did hear of the study but said they only approved the Questionnaire. So we need to consider DJs' input/opinion against the published facts.
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Anne Bonney:
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--- Quote from: "Mark DeGroot" ---I would just like to say that it is very difficult to have a conversation here. The above post is not mine. All the research done at canyon has been nothing but professional and thorough. It seems people don’t like to hear the truth here on fornits.
Why are you keeping your heads in the sand like this? Why not move forward and listen to different points of view and solicit open thinking? I would think many here could contribute to change rather than obstruct it.
The studies will always have a positive effect whether they are good or bad because they provide information and insight for those faced with making critical decisions for their families. I hope in time you will all come to see the benefits of research on the industry and how it determines future direction.Mark DeGroot.
Thanks for the user name suggestion, By the way, I have contacted all the groups you suggested and they were not interested in anything I had to say. They only wanted information which was negative towards the industry and even tried to twist my words and refused to take any factual info I provided.
Why is everyone like this? Why do you screen all the information here?
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Mark, Sometimes the ends just don't justify the means. You can beat someone into submission... just b/c you have and it quiets them downs, doesn't make it an experience worth instituting. There's teh question of human rights to be addreseed.
With that said, there are NUMEROUS problems with this studys methodology that make even the claim that its a study laughable in its bias. More details to come to critique. aspen should be ashamed of themselves.
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Just wanted to say it again. The poster logged in with my name is your (fornits') troll called "TheWho". After I posted a couple of times he registered my name as a username and has been impersonating me since then.
I agree with others here that the project is not substantive, many parts of the data have been falsified and that it is a biased, uncontrolled survey.
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Well, color me shocked. ::)
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Mark DeGroot, Canyon Research" ---
--- Quote from: "ercn" ---
--- Quote from: "Mark DeGroot" ---I would just like to say that it is very difficult to have a conversation here. The above post is not mine. All the research done at canyon has been nothing but professional and thorough. It seems people don’t like to hear the truth here on fornits.
Why are you keeping your heads in the sand like this? Why not move forward and listen to different points of view and solicit open thinking? I would think many here could contribute to change rather than obstruct it.
The studies will always have a positive effect whether they are good or bad because they provide information and insight for those faced with making critical decisions for their families. I hope in time you will all come to see the benefits of research on the industry and how it determines future direction.Mark DeGroot.
Thanks for the user name suggestion, By the way, I have contacted all the groups you suggested and they were not interested in anything I had to say. They only wanted information which was negative towards the industry and even tried to twist my words and refused to take any factual info I provided.
Why is everyone like this? Why do you screen all the information here?
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Mark, Sometimes the ends just don't justify the means. You can beat someone into submission... just b/c you have and it quiets them downs, doesn't make it an experience worth instituting. There's teh question of human rights to be addreseed.
With that said, there are NUMEROUS problems with this studys methodology that make even the claim that its a study laughable in its bias. More details to come to critique. aspen should be ashamed of themselves.
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Just wanted to say it again. The poster logged in with my name is your (fornits') troll called "TheWho". After I posted a couple of times he registered my name as a username and has been impersonating me since then.
I agree with others here that the project is not substantive, many parts of the data have been falsified and that it is a biased, uncontrolled survey.
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Well, color me shocked. ::)
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Anne, so lets see what have you got....nada. You have been impersonating yourself since you got here, so what is the big deal.
Now that's shocking....lol.
Troll Control:
Yeah, Anne, don't pay attention to the Canyon Research employee! He has no idea what happened. ::)
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