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CALO Runaway - Tom Riley
CALO Student #17:
Christ, he's still missing? Aww, man... I'm so sorry, Sean. I'm not sure if you remember me or not, but I was cool with Tom, back when I was still in CALO. I used to give him a lot of advice to get him through hard times. I remember that a lot of his guilts were upsetting you and his grandma. He also talked to me about wanting to run away before, and I talked him through it... but that was such a long time ago. I was told that he ran away... took a car or something... but I didn't know that he was still missing. I don't even know what to say... when I talked him out of running, I thought that he was done because he never brought it up again. It makes me wonder if I shouldn't have kept it from staff, but like I said... it was such a long time ago. You have my sympathies, sir, and I'll be sure to let you know if I hear anything from the inside, or from other kids that have left.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "CALO Student #17" ---...when I talked him out of running, I thought that he was done because he never brought it up again. It makes me wonder if I shouldn't have kept it from staff, but like I said... it was such a long time ago...
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Are you saying that staff were already aware that he was a run-risk ... or not?
CALO Student #17:
Well, he'd been put on run watch a few times... but it didn't last too long. It was just a phase that he seemed occasionally to go through. He usually wasn't serious... just upset, and the staff knew that. They still took it seriously, but we always thought that it would pass...
psy:
--- Quote from: "seanc" ---All I can confirm at this point is that we didn't have a say in the matter, somone else did.
I have a good guess at several resons why he ran, but only he knows for sure.
As far as "guest" I really don't care about his/her comments because I understand how many morons and idiots live in this world, and I stopped trying to figure out or negotiate with this kind of low life years ago. But what I do care about is if this person has contact with Tom or if Tom does follow this idiots advice and he or someone else gets hurt in the process, guest will have to answer for that.
As long as guest knows the rules, consequences and what they might be in for, I can tolerate the dissent.
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Well. Advocating something illegal is not itself illegal*. That would prevent illegal things from becoming legal. It would maintain a tyranny of the majority. Guest's words are no more extreme than Murray Rothbard on the subject of a kid's right to run away, though I think his personal attacks are both unnecessary and hurt his credibility and that of his argument.
* (some exceptions, mostly having to do with imminence... starting a riot or saying "kill those people right there" rather than "that minority should be killed", which is permissable) <- not legal advice
--- Quote ---My 1st priority here is to locate Tom and get him home safely.
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I truly hope that means "home" and not another program. Give him a chance, like my parents did after they pulled me (despite the pleas from the program).
--- Quote ---By the way, I've seen many postings where people use "guest" or some other anonymous name. Do you have a way to track the ISP or email so if someone does actually post something that results in harm, they can be located?
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Ip addresses on this website are stored but are available by US court subpoena only. From there you'd have to go to the ISP and track it to a physical address.
seanc:
Student 17,
Yes, I do remember you. If I remember correctly, you were one of the voices of reason. Not afraid to speak your mind and didn't like B.S. lies and was one of the 1st people to call someone out. Correct? Also, If I remember correctly, you and I had some good discussions during one of Mike's group milieu.
Thank you for your sympathy. I truly appreciate it. Yes, Tom is still missing, we lost track of him in Kansas City, MO and are very concerned for his safety. Tom has made some bad choices in the last couple of years and we are afraid of what may happen next. We've already gone through to much death and tragedy to go to another funeral. I sincerely hope that he doesn't choose that path anymore. You probably know what I mean.
Psy, thanks for the info, understand free speech and I am a strong supporter of our rights, however you just can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. My concern is that Tom will follow some very bad advice and I'm not sure if I can take another death in the family, especially another one so young. My ultimate goal for Tom is emancipation (more like responsible independence) as well, just not in the way some jerks are calling for it. Some parents aren't monsters like kids or CALO make them out to be. Tom has no real need to fight against me or fight against doing what is right, this is learned behavior.
Ursus the answer to your question is yes, but that's all I'm going to go into here about that topic for now.
Unfortunately, we aren't the ones deciding what will happen next. Tom, at some point will have to face the truth of what was done and make amends. There is always room for forgiveness and there is always room to make things right again. He is only hurting himself more by continuing to run and hiding from the mistakes. He still has chances and opportunities to become an honorable young man and there are people that will help him. People that have always been there to help him. He needs to seek that help out rather than fight against it.
Tom is under the impression that all this will somehow magically go away when he turns 18. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I can only guarantee I will fight to protect him and help him become an honorable young man if that is what he wants. If not, I have no control over what someone else will make him do, or not do. At 18, 17 in my state, a judge won't care about anything that happened prior, they won't care about teenage angst, or a world that someone has created for themselves, or any other excuse for that matter. Harsh lesson for the unprepared. I accept that some people need to learn on their own, but it's ashame that they have to endure that kind of pain and loss when the solution is so damn easy.
Any help to locate Tom would be greatly appreciated.
Sean
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