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Pence v. Aspen Education Group, Inc.
Anonymous:
The salient point is that ASPEN's "win" was based in how they "never promised" to provide medical care, as defined by any legal standard.
The salient point is that its DEFENSE of its actions was that it is not a "therapeutic treatment program," that the "program" itself (progression through the "phases") is not in anyway therapeutic, and that the "counselor, Harless, that oversaw and offered the Pence's "treatment" was in no way a medical personnel and was, in fact, not offering actual treatment.
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Expert witnesses disagree as to whether Matthew Pence's list of confessions was part of a therapeutic treatment program, whether NorthStar is a drug and alcohol or mental health therapy program, and whether NorthStar personnel violated a standard of care applicable to counselors and therapists. See Dr. Larsen's Aff. (for defendants), Dr. Huffine's Aff. (for plaintiffs). Disputed issues of material fact preclude summary judgment for Matthew Pence or defendants on the third claim for negligent provision of mental health treatment.
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Larsen (aspen's expert) is arguing that Matthew Pence's list of confessions was NOT part of a therapeutic treatment program, and that NorthStar is NOT a drug and alcohol or mental health therapy program.
Whooter:
--- Quote ---The salient point is that its DEFENSE of its actions was that it is not a "therapeutic treatment program," that the "program" itself (progression through the "phases") is not in anyway therapeutic, and that the "counselor, Harless, that oversaw and offered the Pence's "treatment" was in no way a medical personnel and was, in fact, not offering actual treatment.
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Harless was the director not a therapist. She doesnt perform therapy. She flys around the country attending meetings. When she cought Matthew breaking into the offices she called the police and had him arrested. Any of us would have done that if it were your office. The kid deserved to go to jail. Harless wasnt held under HIPAA laws because she told the police he was breaking into offices. Plus Matthew admitted it himself to the police in front of the staff.
I dont blame Aspen for refusing to take him back into one of their programs. The kid screwed up and parents are out some cash.
RMA Survivor:
You seem to focus on the part of the story nobody else cares about. The fact he got caught and went to jail. I think most adults here feel what he did was typical teen behavior, and right or wrong was not some huge deal. The subject is whether Aspen advertises or suggests that they provide therapy and treatment in their brochures, their talks with parents or through their paid "consultants" which would be in direct opposition to what they have recently claimed in court, that they offer and have never suggested they offer treatment or therapy.
But you just keep whacking away at the minutiae. Seems to be working for you.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---You seem to focus on the part of the story nobody else cares about. The fact he got caught and went to jail. I think most adults here feel what he did was typical teen behavior, and right or wrong was not some huge deal. The subject is whether Aspen advertises or suggests that they provide therapy and treatment in their brochures, their talks with parents or through their paid "consultants" which would be in direct opposition to what they have recently claimed in court, that they offer and have never suggested they offer treatment or therapy.
But you just keep whacking away at the minutiae. Seems to be working for you.
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Someone else mentioned they said that too, but I never saw a link or quote. Do you have one. I would like to see it. I have seen where they advertise helping kids through various problems but I didnt see where they said they dont provide therapy. Are they refering to Aspen as a whole or North Star?
Anonymous:
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--- Quote ---The salient point is that its DEFENSE of its actions was that it is not a "therapeutic treatment program," that the "program" itself (progression through the "phases") is not in anyway therapeutic, and that the "counselor, Harless, that oversaw and offered the Pence's "treatment" was in no way a medical personnel and was, in fact, not offering actual treatment.
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Harless was the director not a therapist. She doesnt perform therapy. She flys around the country attending meetings. When she cought Matthew breaking into the offices she called the police and had him arrested. Any of us would have done that if it were your office. The kid deserved to go to jail. Harless wasnt held under HIPAA laws because she told the police he was breaking into offices. Plus Matthew admitted it himself to the police in front of the staff.
I dont blame Aspen for refusing to take him back into one of their programs. The kid screwed up and parents are out some cash.
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John D Reuben killed his kid and wont stop lying
Mathew was not ‘caught’ doing anything, as you know, like you know your kid is dead.
Mathew confessed a “negative contract” to Harless as he was obligated to under Aspen Education Group’s “phase” system.
If Harless was just some administrator she should not have been taking “confessions” in a capacity of 'treatment staff'.
Aspen Education Group was NOT cleared at the time of this judgment of violating HIPPA., only breach of the confidential therapist / patient relationship (because Harless was neither employed by a therapist or a therapist.)
Any drug or mental disorder treatment center is covered by HIPPA, as is ALL info gathered by its employees.
Hence, Aspen Education Group argues that it is NOT a drug or mental disorder treatment center, that its phase system which involves "confessions" to, and in the presence of, a variety of unlicensed therapists is NOT therapeutic, and the info Harless was charged with collecting from Mathew was not taken under a therapeutic process.
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III. Third Claim - Negligent Provision of Mental Health Tx
Expert witnesses disagree as to whether Matthew Pence's list of confessions was part of a therapeutic treatment program,whether NorthStar is a drug and alcohol or mental health therapy program, and whether NorthStar personnel violated a standard of care applicable to counselors and therapists. See Dr. Larsen's Aff. (for defendants), Dr. Huffine's Aff. (for plaintiffs). Disputed issues of material fact preclude summary judgment for Matthew Pence or defendants on the third claim for negligent provision of mental health treatment.
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