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Pence v. Aspen Education Group, Inc.
Whooter:
The US District Court Disagrees with you:
Take a look
So all parties agreed that Aspen Education group provided a licensed therapist for Matthew Pence during his stay at NorthStar.
The parties seem to agree that ...... one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.
What was Matthews lawyer thinking going to trial? They got killed on this one.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Exactly, there is a lot of wrongdoing here. A summary judgment on 2 of 5 issues is hardly a "win" or a "clean slate" or "proof Aspen provides licensed therapists" - Aspen should be facing criminal charges for their actions. Getting sued is getting off light.
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Yes, practicing therapy without a license as Aspen programs do is a criminal matter.
Whooter:
Great thread!! An interesting side point to all of this is that it was always thought here by many posters that kids couldn’t get out of a program once they were placed there and now we see that if a kid really wants to leave then all they have to do is break a few of the rules and they will be sent home.
Many here also thought jail was a better alternative to a program but if this were true then all the kids would follow Matthews lead and start breaking into the offices at night.
It’s good to see many of these myths finally being exposed. The kids in these programs are actually speaking up for themselves by staying and doing the work. I am sure Matthew feels by now that he shot himself in the foot.
RMA Survivor:
Who are these "Many" you keep referring to?
I don't know of too many students who would have broken the law and go to jail or juvenile hall than stay. Just because a program is abusive and offering no real therapy or treatment, does not mean a teen would prefer to be locked up. What a valueless argument.
If a student could break a minor rule and go home, that would be worthwhile. Students run away all the time and are dragged back against their will. Hence the reason a number of people who post here consider these prison camps. And I have never heard of student peaking in to a dorm room and going to jail, or having police even called. There was statutory rape going on at some of these places and police were never called for those instances. And student-on-student violence as well, but again no police. This was not a common incident obviously. More likely Aspen couldn't control Matthew because his treatment and therapy was performed by untrained, unlicensed staff who were not capable of offering him direction and a source of inspiration.
Modern juvenile halls and jails are very scary places. Why leave one frightening environment for another? A pathetic argument. Try harder next time.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---I don't know of too many students who would have broken the law and go to jail or juvenile hall than stay. Just because a program is abusive and offering no real therapy or treatment, does not mean a teen would prefer to be locked up. What a valueless argument.
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No I haven’t either, but there was a discussion awhile back where posters here thought kids would prefer jail over a program. Arguing that at least in jail they could sit back and watch HBO and not be forced into group therapy.
This shows that not to be true.
--- Quote ---If a student could break a minor rule and go home, that would be worthwhile. Students run away all the time and are dragged back against their will. Hence the reason a number of people who post here consider these prison camps.
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The programs that I am familiar with will send you home if you break the rules or try to run away (more than once). Some give you a warning first but if you continue to break rules your out. I believe the programs of the past would just hold a kid no matter what the kid did. Its not that way anymore and judging from the number of kids getting kicked out or sent to jail the program seems to be the better choice for them.
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