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Aspen Education Group deceptively markets short term invalid
Whooter:
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Sorry, Deborah happens to be exactly right. Link above corroborates her assertion and proves Whooter completely wrong. Wiggle, wiggle. Squirm, squirm. Can't change the facts, Whooter. Behrens was an Aspen employee. Too bad for you. You've no credibility left. :rofl:
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If you took the time to read the link you posted you will see that it references "Deborahs letter" nothing else. You wouldnt feel so dumb if you had bothered to read what you call facts first.... sorry.
So nothing comes up? No links to the industry? So the study stands as being independently done. I think the next step is to determine the outcome of the study and look a little closer at the details.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Yet more confirmation of Ellen's employment by Aspen. And I've taken the liberty of screen saving this knowing how dishonest you and the gang of criminals that killed your son are
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?a ... me=Behrens
--- Quote from: "tom croke" ---Youth Care, Inc. (Youth Care Academy and Pine Ridge Academy)
Posted by Tom Croke on Thursday, 9 December 1999, at 3:03 p.m. (eastern time)
We have just learned that Youth Care of Draper, Utah, one of our co-sponsors has just been purchased by Aspen. Robin Stephens will continue as Executive Director. Co owners with Robin, Liz Smith (Pine Ridge Director) and Dr. LePray will not be continuing. Ellen Behrens will be clinical director.
We will certainly miss Dr. LePray and Liz Smith, but have the highest regard for Robin and Ellen. We at FamilyLight Consultants have long wanted to see more Youth Care / Pine Ridge beds available, as we believe these are the finest programs of their kinds available.
As much as we have nostalgia for the days of Youth Care, Inc. as a stand alone organization, we respect the fact that Aspen has generally maintained the quality of their acquisitions. We can at least hope for some addtional beds similar to what is offered at Pine Ridge and Youth Care. And we are proud to have an Aspen affiliate as one of our co-sponsors.
Best wishes to Robin and Ellen, as well as Liz and Dr. L.
Tom Croke
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Sorry to bother anyone, but this link was posted a few pages ago. It also shows that Ms. Behrens drew her paycheck from Aspen while working at one of Aspen's programs. I hope you all read it. I can't think of any other "tie" to Aspen you'd need, as she was employed directly by Aspen.
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Yet more confirmation of Ellen's employment by Aspen. And I've taken the liberty of screen saving this knowing how dishonest you and the gang of criminals that killed your son are
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?a ... me=Behrens
--- Quote from: "tom croke" ---Youth Care, Inc. (Youth Care Academy and Pine Ridge Academy)
Posted by Tom Croke on Thursday, 9 December 1999, at 3:03 p.m. (eastern time)
We have just learned that Youth Care of Draper, Utah, one of our co-sponsors has just been purchased by Aspen. Robin Stephens will continue as Executive Director. Co owners with Robin, Liz Smith (Pine Ridge Director) and Dr. LePray will not be continuing. Ellen Behrens will be clinical director.
We will certainly miss Dr. LePray and Liz Smith, but have the highest regard for Robin and Ellen. We at FamilyLight Consultants have long wanted to see more Youth Care / Pine Ridge beds available, as we believe these are the finest programs of their kinds available.
As much as we have nostalgia for the days of Youth Care, Inc. as a stand alone organization, we respect the fact that Aspen has generally maintained the quality of their acquisitions. We can at least hope for some addtional beds similar to what is offered at Pine Ridge and Youth Care. And we are proud to have an Aspen affiliate as one of our co-sponsors.
Best wishes to Robin and Ellen, as well as Liz and Dr. L.
Tom Croke
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Sorry to bother anyone, but this link was posted a few pages ago. It also shows that Ms. Behrens drew her paycheck from Aspen while working at one of Aspen's programs. I hope you all read it. I can't think of any other "tie" to Aspen you'd need, as she was employed directly by Aspen.
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No bother, we already addressed this and there is no evidence that Ellen took the job she was offered at Youth Care. All the other past directors show up in google searches but not hers. But it looks like that was 10+ years ago anyway so it wouldnt effect the time frame the study was done. All the evidence shows she only draws a paycheck from her research firm.
So based on the study being independent what other issues are there with this study. Someone mentioned they would like to see how the data was collected.
RMA Survivor:
I think clearly she was previously connected with and therefore biased in favor of Aspen when the study was conducted. As for the study itself, I read it and found the basis for which they draw their conclusions to be based entirely on meaningless and non-scientific methods. Additionally, as it has already been made clear, the study is permanently flawed by virtue of the fact the Aspen has admitted they do not offer or provide either therapy or treatment, thus any claims to successes based on ties to therapy and treatment are factually wrong.
Your twisted circle-logic is no longer going to be enough to demonstrate that this study was either independently conducted, or valid in any fashion. But one thing I am certain of, that won't stop you from continuing to try and push this study as being valid.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "RMA Survivor" ---I think clearly she was previously connected with and therefore biased in favor of Aspen when the study was conducted. As for the study itself, I read it and found the basis for which they draw their conclusions to be based entirely on meaningless and non-scientific methods. Additionally, as it has already been made clear, the study is permanently flawed by virtue of the fact the Aspen has admitted they do not offer or provide either therapy or treatment, thus any claims to successes based on ties to therapy and treatment are factually wrong.
Your twisted circle-logic is no longer going to be enough to demonstrate that this study was either independently conducted, or valid in any fashion. But one thing I am certain of, that won't stop you from continuing to try and push this study as being valid.
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Where is it said that they dont provide therapy or treatment? I have read back through the thread an all I can find is a law suit from NorthStar, but nothing about the other programs. Is there a link of some type? I would like to take a read on it.
As far as the study being valid you are welcome to your opinion. I dont expect anyone to change it not intended to. You have made up your mind as many have here and no study is going to change that. But there are many people who welcome the information and services that these independent research firms offer. I for one wish there were more studies done more often. This study and ones like it are going to be the driving force to effect change in the industry and drive its direction.
Look at how hard everyone pounded the table demanding that kids be aloowed to write letters home without staff proof reading them and now we see this is happening.. real time... today by a source who has a son in Aspen Ranch. This is good stuff and fornits was part of it and I feel I was a big part of have those changes implimented also. Change is happening, try to recognize it and push for more. Its all good stuff RMA
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