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Aspen Education Group deceptively markets short term invalid
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Wow, when finally faced with study results done outside the programs you guys really scramble to try to discredit it. There are no ties back to Aspen that I can see. Can you point it out?
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Could you please be a bit more specific as to what you want pointed out? It's too early in the morning for me to be anything but dense! :D
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I know what you mean, moving slow myself in the morning until after that first cup.
My question was.... I cannot find anything that ties this study back to Aspen. As far as I can see the research study was independent of any program. Is there a connection there I am missing?
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Ah, you mean the myriad of "studies" that Big Tobacco conducts, many of them pertinent to targeting the youth market share. "If they've got lips, we want them!"
While I don't know how they tie in to Aspen per se, they sure do tie into other corners of the TTI, and share with Aspen a certain semantically-based duplicity in their marketing strategy.
Hence, your repetitive posting of that silly excuse for a "study" that Aspen touts ... made me think of them! :D
--- Quote from: "Father Tim SJ" ---You'll find a lot to like in a marlboro: filter, flavor, pack or box.
And it is the same way with Hyde. Hyde's flavor does not quit like other secondary educations. That unique Hyde taste just stays with you for the rest of your life.
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And just what, exactly, does Hyde School have in common with Big Tobacco? The same deceptive marketing practices, even some of the same marketing personnel!
Just ask Hyde parent Nancy Lund, "the key steward of the Marlboro brand for more than two decades" (her words), generous contributor to Hyde's coffers (probably with the assistance of employer Philip Morris / Altria Group, as that is their policy), member of Hyde's Board of Governors, and most recently, key member of the marketing focus group (along with marketing group Leo Burnett Worldwide, Inc., co-creator of the Marlboro man) responsible for amping up Hyde's PR campaign with the now not so new website: Only @ Hyde.
Sell! Sell! Sell!! :jamin:
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---As far as I can see the only connection is that she does research and consulting for treatment programs. I dont see any business where she sends the kids there herself.
Do a google search on her name and see what comes up... I didnt see any other businesses that she was involved in or ties to Aspen.
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Meaning that she gets paid by programs for "research and consulting" even if she doesn't send anyone there.
Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---As far as I can see the only connection is that she does research and consulting for treatment programs. I dont see any business where she sends the kids there herself.
Do a google search on her name and see what comes up... I didnt see any other businesses that she was involved in or ties to Aspen.
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Meaning that she gets paid by programs for "research and consulting" even if she doesn't send anyone there.
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Whooter, you must have missed these connections:
--- Quote from: "Deborah" ---It good someone is trying to do real research? Depends on who that someone is. Even if it were 'real', is it unbiased? I think not.
How about a 'real' assessment of the industry by an Independent source, which would include evaluating the methods and procedures employed to 'modify behavior' and collecting information from ex-staff, parents, and participants who were unhappy/abused, deaths, injuries, etc. as well.
C Smoot employed by AEG and serveral other RTCs.
Smoot and Behrens co-create Evidence Based Consulting.
Behrens Clinical Director for Youth Care program, Member NATSAP.
Smoots 'partner' with AEGs Youth Care program.
Smoots are 'associates' of Open Sky Wilderness, Member NATSAP.
Behrens creates Canyon Research and Consulting- most of their clients are AEG programs.
Smoot and Behrens pitch EBC to NATSAP.
Dr. Kevin Fenstermacher employed by both EBC and CRC.
Looks more like a concerted effort to shore up the industry?s reputation, and give parents a false sense of security.
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Each person involved in the "study" has DIRECT ties to NATSAP/ASPEN. How could you have missed this in a Google search, I wonder?? You are either a hideous liar or too stupid to read.
The only question remaining is how can there be a "treatment outcome study" when AEG already admits they provide no treatment? The PREMISE of the study is bogus and the people who did the study are all TTI players who profit directly from NATSAP and ASPEN programs.
I hope now everyone is straightened out on this, as this informatoin has been widely known for years and posted right here on Fornits for several years.
Recap: "Study" is INVALID ON IT'S FACE. And THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE "Study" ARE OR WERE ASPEN EMPLOYEES or MAKE A LIVING OFF NATSAP PROGRAMS.
Whooter:
Can you provide a link outside of fornits? The reason I ask is there is a Valerie and a few others with the same last name. I cannot find any connection to Aspen at all.
So there there appears (so far) to be no connection to the industry. I was going to say... I looked and all I could find was that she was a researcher. So we are looking at an independent study. I think the question most people have is they would like to see more of the tables and raw data which I would like to see myself.
Whooter:
Psy, Ursus...can anyone provide a connection between the researcher and Aspen? Something tangible from outside of the fornits database? I am just curious to know... I have looked everywhere.
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