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Aspen Education Group lawyers..AEG not mental health program
Whooter:
--- Quote ---What would be great to get is Aspen Education Group's expert witness, Larson's depostion for Aspen that they are in any legal sense a treatment center for drug or mental disorders, and that the "phases" Aspen offers are in no legal sense of the term "therapeutic."
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Not too sure. Most anything can be considered therapeutic. Sitting quietly watching the sun set would cover it, thats therapeutic enough to put up a sign.
Anonymous:
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Not too sure. Most anything can be considered therapeutic. Sitting quietly watching the sun set would cover it, thats therapeutic enough to put up a sign.
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In some sense of the word anyone can be called a doctor and anything can be called therapeutic. Legally and medically, however, these terms are tightly defined and infer liabilities and standards of care.
You may not be sure about that, but Aspen is .
Aspen swore under oath that it is NOT ,in any legal sense, a treatment center for "drug and alcohol or mental health therapy", that the "phases" Aspen offers are, in no legal sense of the term, "therapeutic," and that the counseling Harless offered and the confessions she took were not part of any form of therapeutic process
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III. Third Claim - Negligent Provision of Mental Health Tx
Expert witnesses disagree as to whether Matthew Pence's list of confessions was part of a therapeutic treatment program, whether NorthStar is a drug and alcohol or mental health therapy program, and whether NorthStar personnel violated a standard of care applicable to counselors and therapists. See Dr. Larsen's Aff. (for defendants), Dr. Huffine's Aff. (for plaintiffs). Disputed issues of material fact preclude summary judgment for Matthew Pence or defendants on the third claim for negligent provision of mental health treatment.
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Troll Control:
Flip-flop, wiggle-wiggle-squirm-squirm. Sorry, Whooter, but nothing you (a secondary source) say matters, as Aspen (a primary source) has already disclosed that it provides no therapy or treatment, only "phases" of a "program" just like the worst abusive ones out there (WWASPS, Straight, KHK, etc).
I wonder how Whooter claims Aspen programs "aren't like the other programs from years ago" when they use the identical "program" with "phases"? I guess he was lying about that, too.
Whooter:
--- Quote ---Aspen swore under oath that it is NOT ,in any legal sense, a treatment center for "drug and alcohol or mental health therapy", that the "phases" Aspen offers are, in no legal sense of the term, "therapeutic," and that the counseling Harless offered and the confessions she took were not part of any form of therapeutic process
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Is there any link that can be provided to support this? I didnt see where Aspen made the statements you listed above. But I can find where the court sided with Aspen that Matthews treatment team included a licensed therapist.
Are you able to cut and paste and exact quote and provide a link?
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Flip-flop, wiggle-wiggle-squirm-squirm. Sorry, Whooter, but nothing you (a secondary source) say matters, as Aspen (a primary source) has already disclosed that it provides no therapy or treatment, only "phases" of a "program" just like the worst abusive ones out there (WWASPS, Straight, KHK, etc).
I wonder how Whooter claims Aspen programs "aren't like the other programs from years ago" when they use the identical "program" with "phases"? I guess he was lying about that, too.
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Yes, in fact, the expert witness for Aspen declared that nothing that happens in an Aspen facility can be construed as treatment, as Aspen never made promises to deliver any services from any licensed professionals. Yet, Aspen did deliver therapy sessions illegally by using unlicensed people. The court will decide how much Aspen will have to pay the plaintiffs who are asking $1,000,000 for fraudulently claiming to provide therapy, which implies legal delivery of therapy, i.e. by a licensed provider.
Aspen really stepped in the shit by offering therapy when none is actually delivered or it is delivered illegally. Either way, Aspen is guilty of fraud or practicing without a license.
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