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Aspen Education Group lawyers..AEG not mental health program
Whooter:
--- Quote ---The program itself is what has to be determined as a covered entity, not the individuals. My God, if staff without licenses weren't bound by HIPAA...Jesus Christ!
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The courts dont agree with you. If you are not working for a licensed employee of the entity then you are not given HIPAA training.
Troll Control:
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--- Quote ---The program itself is what has to be determined as a covered entity, not the individuals. My God, if staff without licenses weren't bound by HIPAA...Jesus Christ!
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The courts dont agree with you. If you are not working for a licensed employee of the entity then you are not given HIPAA training.
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Funny you say that, because the employees of Northstar WERE given HIPAA training, according to the court document you keep posting. This lead the court to conclude that because the employees are receiving HIPAA training, the facility believes itself subject to HIPAA rules. And you're wrong about how HIPAA works. It's not an individual thing. It covers "entities" (i.e. businesses) that deal with any electronic records of clients receiving care.
Whooter:
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--- Quote ---The program itself is what has to be determined as a covered entity, not the individuals. My God, if staff without licenses weren't bound by HIPAA...Jesus Christ!
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The courts dont agree with you. If you are not working for a licensed employee of the entity then you are not given HIPAA training.
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Funny you say that, because the employees of Northstar WERE given HIPAA training, according to the court document you keep posting. This lead the court to conclude that because the employees are receiving HIPAA training, the facility believes itself subject to HIPAA rules. And you're wrong about how HIPAA works. It's not an individual thing. It covers "entities" (i.e. businesses) that deal with any electronic records of clients receiving care.
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Of course they were, all businesses with licensed therapists have to have HIPAA training. But not all the employees or staff need to be trained or abide by the HIPAA laws. Only those who report to a licensed medical person (Therapist) need HIPAA Training.
So this says that they have licensed therapists or they wouldnt need the HIPAA training.
RMA Survivor:
Not sure I would claim Therapists (Plural). That Aspen might now have a single person with a degree is plausible. However, the fact that the bulk of the staff on the campus are not licensed as therapists or counselors should be a wake up call for the parents. These people have absolutely no business or training to be working with children on mental health issues or anything else. One is either trained, or a hack. You can't be both in the same area.
It is clear from reading the court documents that indeed this was technically about Northstar and not necessarily about Aspen as a whole. However, without further information nobody can claim that Aspen as a whole is all licensed therapists. That each campus might have one single person with a degree in this field does not explain away that the bulk of those who are supposedly "treating" students and giving "counseling" are in fact not trained or licensed to do so. This "life experience" crap where staff claim that because they used drugs or were alcoholics and therefore are entitled and experienced enough to give credible counseling and therapy to teens, is nonsense.
I think most parents are duped in to thinking that they are sending their child away to a program that is legitimate and using fully trained and licensed staff to help their children, when in fact we have seen this is not the case at any of these programs. What we do see are hacks, who have worked in the system for years, founding their own programs with no experience or formal training or licensing who may hire a single trained person so they can pose as somehow legitimate, but in general they usually don't hire such people. And just because NorthStar or Aspen have a single person there who is licensed, unless that one individual is doing all the real therapy and counseling work, the teens are getting mixed treatment, which does not help.
The secretary in a law office might have some knowledge as a legal hack by virtue of hearing about the law all day, but this person is not qualified, nor would it be legal, for this person to offer any sort of legal advice whatsoever. And generally such secretaries and assistants in such offices actually have college credits from legal classes, specific to the work they are performing. But without the license, and without the law degree it is wrong and illegal for them to offer even advice on matters pertaining to law, let alone practicing it. Therefore, for Aspen or any of these other places full of hacks, they have no business messing with teens who are fragile and in need of serious care and not that provided by hacks.
Anonymous:
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That's what I've been saying. they either lied to the court or lie in their advertising. If Metthew was treated by a licensed therapist, HIPAA applies and Aspen is fucked. Plus they still have to deal with the rest of the claims. If there is no licensed therapist, then they are practicing therapy without a license, which is a crime, and a serious one at that. Either way, they can't have it both ways. They lied.
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What had happened is Harless spoke to the police about Matthew breaking into the schools offices and climbing onto the roof to watch the girls change their clothes. Harless is the director of the school and therefore isnt covered by HIPAA laws since she isnt licensed nor working for a licensed person. When the police arrived Matthew disclosed what he had done to the police also. Matthew broke the schools contract and was arrested by the police and removed from the property.
The court had this to say:
The court agrees with defendants (Aspen Education Group) that Harless's alleged disclosure of Matthew Pence's confessions to police was not an extreme transgression of the bounds of socially tolerable conduct. Matthew Pence's IIED claim therefore fails as a matter of law.[/b]
Court Records
Hope this helps
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Except Aspen Education Group does not sell North Star Center as a “school.” It sells it as a “residential program” offering psychological “intervention.” But it uses semantical vagueries you and contractual small print to shield itself from responsibility for failing to meet the standards expected of providers of treatment.
http://www.northstarcenter.com/
--- Quote from: "NorthStar Center of Aspen Education Group CRC Health" ---NorthStar is one of the first young adult programs in the country, founded in 1991, which paved the way for many other programs to serve the various needs of this population. Our experience has shown that young adults usually overestimate their ability to reintegrate into the community after an effective primary or wilderness intervention. At NorthStar, we put our emphasis at the forefront of our program into teaching skills to manage recovery and independent living. We gradually introduce the student to the freedom they desire and help them learn from the challenges this presents.
At NorthStar, students will:
• [b[Start with a tighter structure as they begin to apply new tools and gradually earn their way to more personal freedom. [/b]
• Deepen their understanding of recovery from substance use, continue to solidify their commitment to recovery and learn specific tools to help them stay clean and sober.
• Learn a variety of coping tools using Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) skills in addition to 12-step recovery to help them manage emotions.
• Use individual and group therapy to explore past emotional issues which contributed to substance use and personal decline.
• Begin to internalize a sense of personal structure that leads to consistent motivation and responsible action.
• Interact daily in a community of peers where personal integrity is developed and supported throughout the program.
• Explore interests and life goals and establish a path to accomplish those goals through academic preparation, advisement and coaching.
• Continue to improve their ability to engage parents on an adult-to-adult level.
• Learn how to have fun while sober and balance work and play!
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Sounds like a "treatment center,” right? (P.S. Note, NS writes "in their experience young adults" find it hard to reintegrate into society after "wilderness intervention." Hmmm. That statement is in direct opposition of the "findings" of Ellen Behren's "reports" that detainees reintegrated terrifically after abduction and forced marches)
Harless was director of Pences “treatment” and highest ranking member of his “residential treatment staff.”
http://www.northstarcenter.com/
--- Quote from: "Aspen Education Group NorthStar Center CRC health" ---Residential Treatment Staff ... Program Director
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It was to Harless that Mathew was expected to make his “confessions.”
Regular confessions were necessary for him to move through the “phases” of the program.
Pence and family were under the understanding that the groups he attended, his “counseling” with her, his individual therapy, the process of moving through “phases” was part of his “treatment” and he was attending a "treatment program."
However, Aspen Education group argued that the “phases,” the group and individual counseling it offered in no way legally qualify as treatment, that it was in no way a treatment program, and, therefore, in no way liable for harless’s police notification.
--- Quote from: "pence v aspen education group crc health" --- Expert witnesses disagree as to whether Matthew Pence's list of confessions was part of a therapeutic treatment program, whether NorthStar is a drug and alcohol or mental health therapy program, and whether NorthStar personnel violated a standard of care applicable to counselors and therapists. See Dr. Larsen's Aff. (for defendants), Dr. Huffine's Aff. (for plaintiffs). Disputed issues of material fact preclude summary judgment for Matthew Pence or defendants on the third claim for negligent provision of mental health treatment.
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Aspen Education Group is running a scam of gargantuan proportions
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