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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2010, 12:52:12 PM »
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and I have known people long enough to know that when you get that defensive when I called you out that I have hit a nerve and was right to assume you have been lying about your stories and accounts your write here.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

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Why do you get so upset at others when they fib when you are lying yourself?

Could you please provide proof of his/her lying?  We've provided the proof of you lying.  It's only fair.
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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #76 on: October 08, 2010, 12:56:34 PM »
He's just lashing out because he's been cornered and caught in some huge lies which he had to confess because there was no other plausible out for him.  Too bad for him.  He shouldn't have been fabricating all that information here for the last five or six years and it wouldn't have caught up to him and ruined his half-decade troll of Fornits.  But now it's just too late.  He got caught and he admitted it.  Game, set, match.  Done.
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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2010, 01:13:32 PM »
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and I have known people long enough to know that when you get that defensive when I called you out that I have hit a nerve and was right to assume you have been lying about your stories and accounts your write here.

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

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Why do you get so upset at others when they fib when you are lying yourself?

Could you please provide proof of his/her lying?  We've provided the proof of you lying.  It's only fair.

The same way she thinks she knows that I profit from the industry.



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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2010, 01:17:22 PM »
Credibility...DEACTIVATED...Credibility...DEACTIVATED...Credibility...DEACTIVATED

Too late for all that lame denial stuff, Whootie.  You're caught.  You have confessed to lying about having a daughter and the following information proves you are in a STICCy situation:

Whooter has told on himself.

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Quote from: "A friend of Max"

when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.

Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral?  Was he forced to go?

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember.  A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him.  He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.  

Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information.  We're all ears.

Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:

Quote from: "TheWho"
Prior to ASR  the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him.  As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path.  He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales.  He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can.  The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.

How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?

Hmmmm.....  Getting more interesting as we go...

Funny.  I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before.  I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.

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If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?

That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post.  But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...

Quote from: "John Reuben"
Live Music Junky

...on John Reuben's MySpace page.

Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
Quote from: "John Reuben"
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.  
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.  

"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?

I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced."  Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."

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Children: I don't want kids

Yeah, no shit.  I think we knew that already.

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Hometown: Philadelphia

"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?

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I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.

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I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.

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He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.

Malden, eh?  I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?

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IP Address   Country   Region   City   Latitude/Longitude   ZIP Code   Time Zone
    24.41.10.XXX  UNITED STATES   MASSACHUSETTS   MALDEN   42.4305-71.0574   02148 -05:00
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DSL   EARTHLINK INC   EARTHLINK.NET

   IDD Code   Area Code   Weather Station
1   781   USMA0228 - MALDEN

Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter.  It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.

And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address?  "Swampscott, MA."

Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?

Catherine Reuben!

Just "coincidences" I suppose...?

Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.

Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...

It has been fun, douche, but the game is over.  You've been outed for all eternity.
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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2010, 01:24:21 PM »
I'm afraid that really is game, set and match.  Too bad it still won't stop him from spewing out his bullshit.
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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2010, 01:27:30 PM »
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I'm afraid that really is game, set and match.  Too bad it still won't stop him from spewing out his bullshit.

He can spew BS all he wants.  It's in vain now.

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I profit from the industry.

Yes, we know.  You admitted it before, remember???

Whooter admits starting a program referral business while responding to the name “John.”

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"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

This marketing spin makes me nauseous.  We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John.  I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line.  You disgust me, sir.

Of course you are nauseous.  That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture.  You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people.  People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe.  Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives.  But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path.  The parents should have been more involved all along.  So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem.  This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:

1.   It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2.    You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.


You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking.  This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people.  Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good.  I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation.  It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.

As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash.  By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge".  Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.

Why would you deny what you already admitted?  It makes no sense.

Game, set, match.
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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #81 on: October 08, 2010, 01:53:09 PM »
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I'm afraid that really is game, set and match.  Too bad it still won't stop him from spewing out his bullshit.

I know, Anne, we can feel sorry for him but its all he has left.  He can only troll now.  I vote to let him continue until he gets exhausted.  But in all fairness to the other readers we should not encourage him to derail the threads in the main forum.

Lets move this to the many threads in the "free for all section".



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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #82 on: October 08, 2010, 02:08:28 PM »
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I'm afraid that really is game, set and match.  Too bad it still won't stop him from spewing out his bullshit.

I know, Anne, we can feel sorry for him but its all he has left.  He can only troll now.  I vote to let him continue until he gets exhausted.  But in all fairness to the other readers we should not encourage him to derail the threads in the main forum.

Lets move this to the many threads in the "free for all section".

Gee, you wonder why we call you out on spinning so much.  ::)
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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #83 on: October 08, 2010, 02:24:03 PM »
Yes, Whooter calls quoting his posts that prove he is a liar (about everything) "trolling" yet when he is actually trolling and impersonating some 50 individuals and lying about having a daughter he calls it "helping" and "creating balance."  

Too bad Whooter doesn't like his own quotes, but if he didn't want his lies to be public he should not have lied in the first place.  Oh well.
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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #84 on: October 08, 2010, 02:25:33 PM »
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I'm afraid that really is game, set and match.  Too bad it still won't stop him from spewing out his bullshit.

I know, Anne, we can feel sorry for him but its all he has left.  He can only troll now.  I vote to let him continue until he gets exhausted.  But in all fairness to the other readers we should not encourage him to derail the threads in the main forum.

Lets move this to the many threads in the "free for all section".

Gee, you wonder why we call you out on spinning so much.  ::)

Why do you encourage all the trolling from DJ/ Control Troll?  why not ask him to take it to the free for all section.  He may listen to you.



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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #85 on: October 08, 2010, 02:29:06 PM »
Why do you call your own utterings "trolling" Whooter?  You said all of it and I quoted and linked to it.  Must be a little ashamed of your own stupidity for getting exposed, but we warned you it would happen.

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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2010, 12:47:30 PM »
Soooo...I miss a few days of reading and come back to "Whooter made up having a daughter and had a son in wilderness"?  Somehow this does not surprise me.

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Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.

Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here.  The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.

Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.


Face it.....you got busted buddy boy.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

I admit that, Anne, but read through the thread and see what they did to this woman "worried Anne" and calling her son gay and pretending to be survivors with her son.  
I dont see it as being wrong at all.  I feel sorry for the woman.  I would probably do it again if the situation warranted.



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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2010, 12:54:39 PM »
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Soooo...I miss a few days of reading and come back to "Whooter made up having a daughter and had a son in wilderness"?  Somehow this does not surprise me.

Actually if you read the link back to the original posts you will see that I was guest posting trying to balance out some pretty bad posts against a mother named "Worried Anne" .  I posted that I had a son who attended to offset the trolls.  If you read through it you will see why I posted what I did.



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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #88 on: October 11, 2010, 01:09:25 PM »
???  So you made up having a kid you didn't have to "add balance"?  I don't get that at all.  You spend day after day here calling other posters "liars" and now we find out you invented your whole story.  Greeeeat.  What else have you made up besides your children?
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Re: Second Nature Wilderness Program
« Reply #89 on: October 11, 2010, 01:17:03 PM »
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???  So you made up having a kid you didn't have to "add balance"?  I don't get that at all.  You spend day after day here calling other posters "liars" and now we find out you invented your whole story.  Greeeeat.  What else have you made up besides your children?

Well,this is what the other fornits posters were saying about this mothers child:

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OMG I was there with your kid, what a small world. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but your son is gay and had the time of his life sucking off all of us for extra rice. That's the real reason he gained weight.. well.. and he swallows. Extra nutrients!
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I jumped in to counter what was being done to her.  Maybe it wasnt one of my best decisions but I wrote it and stand behind what I write.  If you notice no one else here seemed to care that she was being beat up like that.



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