Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Second Nature Wilderness Program
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---You have read here long enough to know I am a liar.
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Fair enough. That's true.
Here's some evidence of that, but I have a LOT more if you want me to post it to bolster your confession.
Whooter finally admits his whole story here is straight cock-and-bull nonsense.
Here he admits to having his SON sent to Second Nature Wilderness:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.
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Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here. The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.
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Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.
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Face it.....you got busted buddy boy.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I admit that, Anne, but read through the thread and see what they did to this woman "worried Anne" and calling her son gay and pretending to be survivors with her son.
I dont see it as being wrong at all. I feel sorry for the woman. I would probably do it again if the situation warranted.
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Finally forced to admit his whole story here is bullshit. Priceless.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Shadyacres" ---Whooter, your financial connection to this industry is obvious. I for one can't think of any other reason for doing what you do. Your claim to be a satisfied program parent has never held water and I am glad WE have finally cleared this up. And don't bother trying to accuse any of us of dishonesty, your credibility here is ruined, if you ever had any.
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See the problem with that is I know what I do and you do not. I have not profited from the industry at all. I have actually paid out to them a handsome sum. So I know for a fact that you are lying, Shadyacres. You accuse others of lying when you are lying yourself. Hmmmm... I think there is a name for that? lol
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Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Shadyacres" ---Whooter, your financial connection to this industry is obvious. I for one can't think of any other reason for doing what you do. Your claim to be a satisfied program parent has never held water and I am glad WE have finally cleared this up. And don't bother trying to accuse any of us of dishonesty, your credibility here is ruined, if you ever had any.
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See the problem with that is I know what I do and you do not. I have not profited from the industry at all. I have actually paid out to them a handsome sum. So I know for a fact that you are lying, Shadyacres. You accuse others of lying when you are lying yourself. Hmmmm... I think there is a name for that? lol
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Whoops. : (
Whooter admits starting a program referral business while responding to the name “John.”
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--- Quote from: "John D. Reuben" ---"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."
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John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem. Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem? Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place? Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?
John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"? I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."
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This marketing spin makes me nauseous. We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John. I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line. You disgust me, sir.
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Of course you are nauseous. That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture. You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people. People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe. Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives. But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path. The parents should have been more involved all along. So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem. This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:
1. It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2. You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.
You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking. This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people. Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good. I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation. It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.
As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash. By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge". Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.
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Shadyacres:
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--- Quote from: "Shadyacres" ---Whooter, your financial connection to this industry is obvious. I for one can't think of any other reason for doing what you do. Your claim to be a satisfied program parent has never held water and I am glad WE have finally cleared this up. And don't bother trying to accuse any of us of dishonesty, your credibility here is ruined, if you ever had any.
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See the problem with that is I know what I do and you do not. I have not profited from the industry at all. I have actually paid out to them a handsome sum. So I know for a fact that you are lying, Shadyacres. You accuse others of lying when you are lying yourself. Hmmmm... I think there is a name for that? lol
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Your word means nothing here, you just confirmed what everyone here already suspected anyway. You are a liar and a spin doctor and nothing you say is reliable.
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Shadyacres" ---Whooter, your financial connection to this industry is obvious. I for one can't think of any other reason for doing what you do. Your claim to be a satisfied program parent has never held water and I am glad WE have finally cleared this up. And don't bother trying to accuse any of us of dishonesty, your credibility here is ruined, if you ever had any.
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See the problem with that is I know what I do and you do not. I have not profited from the industry at all. I have actually paid out to them a handsome sum. So I know for a fact that you are lying, Shadyacres. You accuse others of lying when you are lying yourself. Hmmmm... I think there is a name for that? lol
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Your word means nothing here, you just confirmed what everyone here already suspected anyway. You are a liar and a spin doctor and nothing you say is reliable.
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You just confirmed to everyone here that you will lie about anyone who disagrees with you. You are a confirmed liar yourself Shady! lol
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