Craig Hansen LCSW leaves Cross Creek for Distant Drums

[Anonymous]

When I was at Cross Creek they were always threatening and sending kids to Distant Drums.  Now a Cross Creek therapist is becoming the Clinical Director at Distant Drums.  I always thought there was a wwasp connection and now we know.

[psy]

In fairness, that itself doesn't prove WWASP owns Distant Drums or has any stake in it.  Employees leave companies for other companies all the time.  In addition, it's not listed on WWASP's internal phone directory.  I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.  Anything is possible.

[anythinganyone]

When I was at Cross Creek they were always threatening and sending kids to Distant Drums.  Now a Cross Creek therapist is becoming the Clinical Director at Distant Drums.  I always thought there was a wwasp connection and now we know.

It probably has more to do with the dramatic downsizing of Cross Creek than it does with there being a connection.  I should mention the place now only has like four girl and boy groups (in comparison to when I was there, which was seven and eight), and only liek 160 students in comparison to 300 or so.

 I never heard of kids being threatened with Distant Drums, but back when I was at Cross Creek, Tranquility Bay still existed, so . . .

I remember a night staff saying to be thankful I wasn't at Cinnamon Hills because they would make kids wear hula hoops everywhere as a punishment.

I'm guessing Craig Hansen (and I remember him; I did not like him) probably was either laid off (could've happened considering the liquidating of groups.  I know Group 6 was Mr. Hansen's and that was gone) or he left of his own will, knowing Cross Creek wouldn't last too long or figured he was better of somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

They stopped sending kids to Jamaica and then anyone that pissed ron or craig off always went to distant drums.  I'm guessing 40 in a year.  You never heard of kids going anywhere else.  Everytime ron come into group to threaten someone it was about rice, bean, cold weather.  He would talk about how so and so is doing up there in wilderness.  When they would come back he would parade them around to all the group therapies as some kind of walking deterrent. WIth all the programs out there, it seems that there must have been some deal or some connection between them.

[anythinganyone]

They stopped sending kids to Jamaica and then anyone that pissed ron or craig off always went to distant drums.  I'm guessing 40 in a year.  You never heard of kids going anywhere else.  Everytime ron come into group to threaten someone it was about rice, bean, cold weather.  He would talk about how so and so is doing up there in wilderness.  When they would come back he would parade them around to all the group therapies as some kind of walking deterrent. WIth all the programs out there, it seems that there must have been some deal or some connection between them.

Man, that sucks.  I guess they needed someway to feel in control of the kids and feed their power hunger when TB stopped accepting new kids.  I'll tell you two kids took down a staff member and didn't leave Cross Creek.

It could be connected to WWASP, but at the same time, it doesn't necessarily need to be run by WWASP to be working with them.  Some kids came from Cross Creek from Wilderness, and as far as I'm aware, there were no wilderness WWASP programs out there.

[Oscar]

The persons involved in Distant Drums seem to be the same who was involved in Skyline Journey where Ian August died.

We have also found ties to Eagle Quest and Reality Trek.

That does not make any of them a WWASP program. Cross Creek is a huge firm. They have sub-contractors for anything, maybe also for "students" they want to rest from.

In order to make it a wwasp program the same kind of program and seminars have to appear in the wilderness programs. We have not seen any evidence of that yet, but it might be a task for the Fornits posters to digg info up about these three active wilderness programs.

[Che Gookin]

Or maybe they just got smart and decided to create a bit of corporate space between themselves and their outsource torture/neglect specialists?

[anythinganyone]

The persons involved in Distant Drums seem to be the same who was involved in Skyline Journey where Ian August died.

We have also found ties to Eagle Quest and Reality Trek.

That does not make any of them a WWASP program. Cross Creek is a huge firm. They have sub-contractors for anything, maybe also for "students" they want to rest from.

In order to make it a wwasp program the same kind of program and seminars have to appear in the wilderness programs. We have not seen any evidence of that yet, but it might be a task for the Fornits posters to digg info up about these three active wilderness programs.

High Impact was pure WWASP, and it did not have any seminars, nor did it have group or anything like that.

[Oscar]

They have learned from that. You will not see the top-people from WWASP visiting any of these three wilderness programs, so they can be connected with them. I guess that they even will let the wilderness program bill the parents directly, so any ties between the remaining schools and the wilderness programs cannot be proven.

[Che Gookin]

Not surprising, I've always thought that these programs would start adapting someday.

[anythinganyone]

They stopped sending kids to Jamaica and then anyone that pissed ron or craig off always went to distant drums.  I'm guessing 40 in a year.  You never heard of kids going anywhere else.  Everytime ron come into group to threaten someone it was about rice, bean, cold weather.  He would talk about how so and so is doing up there in wilderness.  When they would come back he would parade them around to all the group therapies as some kind of walking deterrent. WIth all the programs out there, it seems that there must have been some deal or some connection between them.

If you don't mind me asking, when were you at CCM, and were you on the boy's side or girl's?