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Counter-reactions in propheets/raps?

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Anonymous:
Has anyone in a CEDU-based program ever done the exact opposite of what was expected?

For example, during the "I want to live" bullshit, has anyone started screaming in the middle of it "KILL ME, KILL ME NOW"?

Awake:
That was not my experience. The only acceptable actions were either compliance or pseudo-compliance. I recall people not participating, they were called out for it until they participated "fully" or to what the staff considered acceptable. I do remember once after another peer group went through some propheet, immediately afterward the staff announced that one kid did not accept the program and had to be dropped a peer group.

This brings up a question I was wondering  for all of you. Did you tell the truth or did you lie? I was thinking about it and as I recall it there was a very strict policy to remove anyone (via Ascent or to another program) who did not either comply or "pretend" to comply to the "agreements", even when it involved disclosures on the most personal level.

Personally I did not lie, but I did continually embellish (with each re-telling) on the  degree to which I felt badly, or guilty, for those things. Moreso, I think eventually I couldn't really tell how bad I felt about them and questioned myself about whether I felt bad enough about those things. As much as I think I tried resisting that shit, I do recall being sort of confused as to whether I should be feeling a certain way or not. And the times I don't remember feeling like that, I was basically in pseudo-compliace, meaning that I was just giving the answers I thought the staff, program etc. wanted. I also, to this day, have convinced myself that other are much more capable of faking emotions than I am. I definitely have questioned whether people are being genuine or not especially in an emotional context.

So that is my question. Did you lie or tell the truth? Including any embellishments or distortions of your real feelings about what you participated in. In writing assingnments, telling your story, propheets, raps, disclosures etc.

Anonymous:
I lied, and never accepted any of it.  Really, I never did.  I knew the game, and played along.  Which, was easier then getting yelled at.

 :nods:

try another castle:
Nothing that blatant. Most things done were more subtle, and speaking for myself, I wasn't nearly brave enough to do anything that might warrant more screaming at me, nor smart enough to do something that would just stupefy them because it was so outrageous or nonsequitor.

For instance, one kid in my peer group spit into his hands in the brothers keeper so the staff would think he was crying and running his shit.

One of the kids refused to agree to the agreements at the beginning of the summit because of the "no violence unless otherwise instructed" rule. We all had to pressure him to acquiesce so we could continue. (I know for myself, the possibility of actual physical violence happening in the workshop actually encouraged me. There were lots of people in my peer group I secretly wanted to kill, and the idea of treating them like an IWTL pillow, with staff's approval, made me all warm and glowy inside.)

I know that a lot of us in the dorms would have discussions about fun things to do that would be completely inappropriate and leave a lot of people nonplussed.

One of my favorite was the notion of pulling up the entire house to "please be quiet and stop going so fast" while the entire house was totally silent already. And I think a lot of those ideas were along those lines: doing something that is condoned and encouraged at the school, but doing it at an inappropriate time.

Anyone remember those pull-ups? It would be hang out time, and if it got too noisy, some fucking goody two shoes would stand up and pull up the whole house. "Yeah, its going really fast in here, and I would like people to quiet down, please." Im pretty sure I did that a few times.

wild thing:
In my Summit a staff member refused to give out you die votes on the stupid ship and had everybody live!  Loved it!

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