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My son at Aspen Ranch
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--- Quote from: "NIGEL" ---his psychologist at Aspen Ranch
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Aspen programs do not provide psychological services, nor do they employ psychologists, as they stated in court.
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DJ the man just said his son received said services, why do you have to contest. Man, do you have to argue with everyone who doesn't suit your take on programs.
Your beginning to resemble the other extremist here.
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Danny, the man said he received such services, but not from Aspen Education. You really need to do some reading first before calling people names. Did you read the link a few posts back to the Pence vs. Aspen Education Group lawsuit? Aspen Education's lawyers argued successfully in court that they were not bound by HIPAA because they do not provide therapy of any kind and do not employ licensed therapists. It's right there in cold print, Danny.
If you think that saying "Aspen Education offers no therapy" is "extreme," then you ought to take it up with Aspen Education, because it is they who successfully argued that very point in court. It's unambiguous, Danny.
--- Quote ---Aspen Education Group does not provide a therapeutic milieu that is conformative to standards set by any medical body for their "patients," medically recognized therapy, or medically accredited personnel, Aspen's own lawyers successfully argued in Pence v. Aspen Education Group.
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Which part of that are you having trouble comprehending? Is it your argument that people here should believe the word of an anonymous poster over court records? That doesn't make much sense, does it?
Even Whooter came right out and said it - he paid extra for a therapist because Aspen Education doesn't provide therapy. Why aren't you calling Whooter an "extremist," Danny? We made the same statements, almost verbatim. You're having trouble with being objective while you rant and rave about people's biases.
If you need to remain intentionally ignorant of the facts to maintain your belief system, your belief system is unsustainable. When that happens, you will cease to be adding anything to the discussion here and you will be simply another willfully ignorant troll.
Pile of shit:
Danny let DJ foam at the mouth. He want's to pick a fight with Whooter because everyone else will join the party.
Whooter:
You need to look at each program separately. Some programs have therapists on staff and others do not. Some of the ones who do not have therapists on staff provide therapy from an outside source (independent) and you pay them separately. But the services are provided on site (within the programs grounds)
The hospital that is in our area states they provide a variety of services but many of them are "out sourced". Their xrays are done on site (within the hospital grounds) but you need to pay someone other than the hospital for their services, they are owned and operated independent from the hospital. This is becoming more common place.
If you had a problem with the way your xrays were being done you would have to take it up with the people providing the xray (not the hospital). The hospitals lawyers would argue that the xray was outsourced.
Walmart Claims they provide food so you can have a lunch there while you shop. But the food it provided by "Subway", so if you have a problem with your food you need to take it up with Subway corporation not Walmart. You cannot successfully sue Walmart if you get sick eating there. But they can still maintain they provide food as a service. lol Funny I know
So can the hospital state they provide these services? I guess it is up to how an individual defines provide... on-staff, on site...etc.
Everything is being outsourced these days!!
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thomasC:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---You need to look at each program separately. Some programs have therapists on staff and others do not. Some of the ones who do not have therapists on staff provide therapy from an outside source (independent) and you pay them separately. But the services are provided on site (within the programs grounds)
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So, we are all in agreement. The only 'therapy' provided is optional and at the parents' expense. The program itself does not constitute 'therapy' in any form and this has been successfully argued in court by Aspen.
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---You need to look at each program separately. Some programs have therapists on staff and others do not. Some of the ones who do not have therapists on staff provide therapy from an outside source (independent) and you pay them separately. But the services are provided on site (within the programs grounds)
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So, we are all in agreement. The only 'therapy' provided is optional and at the parents' expense. The program itself does not constitute 'therapy' in any form and this has been successfully argued in court by Aspen.
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You have to look at it on a program by program bases. Some may have therapists on staff and provide one on one therapy as an integral part of the program and other programs may out source the individual therapy and treat it as optional.
Not all kids need the one on one, some may do well with only group therapy.
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