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Dr. Dan Casriel “A scream away from happiness”

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Ursus:

--- Quote from: "Inculcated" ---Incidentally, I also read a copy of Junkie Priest a few years back and was struck by how much of the Monsignor oral lore (as opposed to current PR) attributed to O'Brian by Daytop seemed to be strikingly similar (concocted to co-opt?) to the Junkie Priest (Rev. Daniel Egan) story.
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Description of a collectible PB volume of said book offered on the MAGGS Rare Books website (London):

Modern Books & MSS: Drugs | Ref: MO40636

Junkie Priest. Father Daniel Egan S.A.
HARRIS, (John D.).; KROSS (Anna M.) (Foreword).

First paperback edition. 8vo., in the original stiff card wrappers photo-illustrated in a noirish style, all edges red. New York, Pocket Books Inc.. 1965

A very good copy for such a fragile book, with very slight wear.

With a beautifully rendered devil horned syringe set within a black cross on the lower wrapper.

Date:1965[/list]

Anonymous:
I am sitting here looking at a book written by a, Dr. Arthur Janov "The New Primal Scream" (Primal Therapy 20 Years On) Enterprise publishing, Inc. ISBN; 0-942103-23-8....Published 1991
Matt this was the master mind in Dr. Davidson and Joe Ricca's mind when they were trying to emulate his therapy methods, Dr. Janov.
What Dr. Janov is talking about is regressed emotions, which if you think about, this it would be good therapy for residents coming out of the centers to have, so they can release all that pent up agression they have towards the very places they were sent to help them. LOL
Why Elan (Davidson and Ricca) ever felt they could handle such therapy themselves never mind handing it down to staff barely out of the treatment center boggled my mind. Then of course they had to add insult to injury and have actual residents conducting the session with other residents. This all in the merits of one student helping another, "BULLSHIT" this was to save money pure and simple....at least with Elan.
Elan in 1976-77 had just over 400 residents in 6 houses, with approx. 26 staff/Directors paid employees maybe 10 more re-entry residents acting as staff. So a total of 36 staff to cover over 400 residents (rapists,attempted murderers, severly violent, ADDHD, BI-Polar, Autism, Mentally challenged,Emotionally Handi-capped and Drug Addicts or a combo of them all. So we had a 11.5 to 1 ratio, 11.5 students to 1 staff and that was when everybody was there working. Take away re-entry (who went to college or worked at other jobs during the day) and days off for staff well your at 25 to 1 ratio and this was no joke. Unqualified and untrained staff running groups and the center.
Talk about regression. Sad very sad.
Anyway not a bad read, I read another book by him back in the late 70's which was interesting.
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock: .........Danny  P.S. The book I read back then was "The Primal Scream".
"Primal Therapy is not just making people scream. It was the title of the book. It was never "Primal Scream Therapy". Those who read the book knew that the scream is what some people do when they hurt. Others simply sob or cry. It was the hurt we were after, not the mechanical exercises such as pounding on the walls and yelling, "mama". This therapy has changed what was essentially a art form into a science.
There are many hundreds of professionals practicing something they call Primal Therapy without a days training. Many unsuspecting patients have been seriously damaged thinking that they were getting proper Primal Therapy. I must emphasize that this therapy is dangerous in untrained hands. It is important to verify by contacting us.
Of the hundreds of clinics in the world using my name and falsely claiming to have been trained by me, I have never seen the therapy practiced correctly. We spend about a third of our time treating patients who come from mock primal therapist."
This was from the "Epilogue" from page; 371,  3rd paragraph......The New Primal Scream. :shamrock:

Anonymous:
Oh and by the way I did read this book "The New Primal Scream" also about early 2000, Both the Primal Scream and The New Primal Scream are good reads. He is actually credited with being the father of the Primal Therapy here in America. Check him out very interesting man.
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:

Anonymous:
Trying to find out if there is any link between Dr. Dan Casriel and Dr. Janov but at this time none. Was Casriel just some knock off or what.
 :shamrock:  :shamrock:  :shamrock:
P.S. Ursus need your help.......lol

Matt C. Hoffman:
Hey all ,

I have not read either book.

I am familar with primals from elan.

I feel that serious issues  were created   with the groups when they were not used properly . For example forcing someone to work on something  that they did not want to ,by spanking them until they participated, on something they had no business working on.

I looked at the primals as voodoo.

In the hands of elan  and its henchmen they were dangerous. When you are messing with the psyche of a kid  and you don't know what you are doing , you can create more problems.

It took a strong mind to know that it was all a bunch of rot and still participate .

Sorry I just don't get the warm fuzzies about primals.Thats just me and my two cents worth.

I still want to know what other programs used primals?

Thank you

Matt

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