Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Current HLA Staff
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---So you supervised people, that you never saw or spoke with, and never saw a single status update or report from? Did you have any actual authority over these people?
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Correct. They had a dotted line to someone local, but, in one of my cases, I provided oversight until something more permanent could be arranged. I think this is getting off topic. I dont think my practices would hold up in a court of law or help define something we are not familiar with.
RobertBruce:
I'm just trying to understand your mindset as to how you can look at a situation where a non medically trained staff member is not just dispensing meds, but running the infirmary, without any supervision or oversight whatsoever, and as a parent who enrolled his child at HLA, be okay with it. All because a magnet has a local pharmacists number on it which you believe may constitute supervision.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---I'm just trying to understand your mindset as to how you can look at a situation where a non medically trained staff member is not just dispensing meds, but running the infirmary, without any supervision or oversight whatsoever, and as a parent who enrolled his child at HLA, be okay with it. All because a magnet has a local pharmacists number on it which you believe may constitute supervision.
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First, I never had a child attend HLA and I never said I was okay with HLA's procedure or mentioned magnets of any kind. I dont endorse their procedures because neither one of us knows what they are. This is the open issue. We need to define what the law states and how HLA conforms or doesnt conform to it. This is where I am at right now.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote --- I dont endorse their procedures because neither one of us knows what they are. This is the open issue. We need to define what the law states and how HLA conforms or doesnt conform to it. This is where I am at right now
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There's where you're wrong. Some of us do know what the procedures are because some of us, in this instance me, experienced this first hand. In my time there was no nurse, there was no on call nurse or visiting nurse, or anything that might constitute oversight by someone with a medical license. What there was, was a rotating string of baby sitters who sat in the infirmary for kids who were injured and/or sick. Depending on how visibly sick or injured the kid was, was the determining factor in whether or not the kid could recieve treatment, or if it was deemed the kid was just manipulating and punished. One girl when I was there went in repeatedly complaining of feeling feverish, nasuea, stomach pains, and a headache. As it was during the summer and hot outside the non medically trained or supervised person reported to her counselor the girl was just trying to get away with something and she was sent to work assignments. She later ran away in an effort according to her to "walk to to the fucking hospital". She didn't get very far though, as she collapsed on the side of Wahsega road. It turned out she had mono, and was finally after three days taken to the hospital. I personally suffered an injury while incarcerated, after two hours was taken to the ER. When the attending physican examined me his question to the AC who brought me to the hosptial was "Why did you wait so long to bring him? Don't you people know how serious this is?"
Untrained staff dispensing meds, students dispensing meds, all without the slightest degree of supervision, which again according to your own link is illegal. So how is this situation safe or okay?
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---There's where you're wrong. Some of us do know what the procedures are because some of us, in this instance me, experienced this first hand. In my time there was no nurse, there was no on call nurse or visiting nurse, or anything that might constitute oversight by someone with a medical license. What there was, was a rotating string of baby sitters who sat in the infirmary for kids who were injured and/or sick. Depending on how visibly sick or injured the kid was, was the determining factor in whether or not the kid could recieve treatment, or if it was deemed the kid was just manipulating and punished. One girl when I was there went in repeatedly complaining of feeling feverish, nasuea, stomach pains, and a headache. As it was during the summer and hot outside the non medically trained or supervised person reported to her counselor the girl was just trying to get away with something and she was sent to work assignments. She later ran away in an effort according to her to "walk to to the fucking hospital". She didn't get very far though, as she collapsed on the side of Wahsega road. It turned out she had mono, and was finally after three days taken to the hospital. I personally suffered an injury while incarcerated, after two hours was taken to the ER. When the attending physican examined me his question to the AC who brought me to the hosptial was "Why did you wait so long to bring him? Don't you people know how serious this is?"
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I hear ya there. From a parents perspective I would want a nurse on duty if my kid was there. When I was in grade school I asked to call home or go home because I was really sick and they told me no. IT turned out I had Scarlett fever and I ended up in the hospital overnight, wasn’t a good thing.
--- Quote ---Untrained staff dispensing meds, students dispensing meds, all without the slightest degree of supervision, which again according to your own link is illegal. So how is this situation safe or okay?
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I haven’t seen the procedure for this or how the meds were transported and who oversaw the movement of the meds. The legality of this has not been established. Personally I would like to see a nurse oversee the meds, but I don’t make the laws.
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