Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Current HLA Staff
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---John walk with me step by step through this. I'm determined that you understand this single point if nothing else.
Step 1. Your own link establishes, and you acknowledged, that while an unlicensed non medical staff member may dispense meds, supervision by a person who is licensed and certified in the field of medicine is required.
Step 2. HLA had no such staff member, either on the premises, or contracted through another organization to make routine visits as part of monitoring the situation.
Step 3. Having the phone number of a local pharmacist on hand to ask questions of is hardly the same thing as being supervised. The pharmacist is not going to come to HLA to ensure the receptionist, Assistiant Counselor, or student handing out meds is doing their job correctly. They aren't going to come by once a week and look over any reports taken, pointing out discrepancies, asking questions over why something was done a certain way, or certifing that things are being done properly.
Therefore, we can establish that since we know step one is true, and we know step two is true, it would then stand to reason that HLA was in violation of the law. Do you agree?
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The government procedures doesnt mention that the person needs to have a phone number to a pharmacy or to stop by once a week to look over reports. The person needs to have a GED and to have oversight by a licensed person. You have not provided any proof that this wasnt being done and I havent seen any proof that this has been done. Like any other school in the US we need to look at the schools procedures and records to see how it was handled to know for sure. This may have been covered by the accredidation process and audits, but we would need to get a copy of what they cover during thier visits.
So at this point we just dont know if meds were being distributed correctly... maybe they were and maybe there were not. We need further facts to support a conclusion either way.
RobertBruce:
John, follow this closely:
--- Quote ---The person needs to have a GED and to have oversight by a licensed person
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Once they fired the nurse there was no oversight John, no supervison whatsoever.
What is it you're looking for in terms of evidence John?
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---John, follow this closely:
--- Quote ---The person needs to have a GED and to have oversight by a licensed person
--- End quote ---
Once they fired the nurse there was no oversight John, no supervison whatsoever.
What is it you're looking for in terms of evidence John?
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Unless you understood HLA procedures then you dont know what they did after the nurse left. The government doesnt require a nurse to be present for medication distribution. HLA never needed to hire a nurse to begin with as far as I can tell. If the med distribution was overseen by someone who was licensed...i.e the doctor prescribing the meds, the pharmacists, the doctors nurse or assistant etc. There is no requirement that this person needs to be on site.
If someone was sick (in any school across the country) it would be perfectly acceptable for a doctor to prescribe medication..... then to send someone to the pharmacy, speak to the pharmacist and then return with the medication and treat the child with it. This is done all the time, no one needs a license to do this. I think the difference is that there are many more kids involved so this would be a continuous process, not a one time event.
I would be interested to see what HLA's procedure was during this time period.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---If the med distribution was overseen by someone who was licensed...i.e the doctor prescribing the meds, the pharmacists, the doctors nurse or assistant etc. There is no requirement that this person needs to be on site.
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It amazes me that you're still somehow missing it. By your own source and acknowledgement the person dispensing (not to mention running the infirmary) has to be supervised by someone who is licensed. How does having a magnet on a filing cabinet with the pharmacist phone number on it in your mind equate to supervision? The person is never on site John, ever. So then again, how is the non licensed staff member supervised?
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "RobertBruce" ---
--- Quote ---If the med distribution was overseen by someone who was licensed...i.e the doctor prescribing the meds, the pharmacists, the doctors nurse or assistant etc. There is no requirement that this person needs to be on site.
--- End quote ---
It amazes me that you're still somehow missing it. By your own source and acknowledgement the person dispensing (not to mention running the infirmary) has to be supervised by someone who is licensed. How does having a magnet on a filing cabinet with the pharmacist phone number on it in your mind equate to supervision? The person is never on site John, ever. So then again, how is the non licensed staff member supervised?
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Show me where it states that a licensed person needs to be on site. I havent been able to find this requirement. If a doctor prescribes the medication and a pharmacist fills the prescription with instructions on its use and dispensing then a non licensed person can pick up this medication and bring it to the patient.
I am not saying you are wrong or HLA is right. I am just trying to understand if there were any laws broken and so far there isnt any evidence of that.
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