Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
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TheWho:
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--- Quote ---Based on the government provisions anyone can dispense medication as long as they are under the supervision of someone who is licensed.
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Exactly John, once again your own argument proves you wrong. HLA staff members working in the infirmary had no medical supervision. So by your own source they were in violation of the law. Thanks for doing our homework for us. :cheers:
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Not even just in the infirmary. Lee Parham used to have a tackle box of the kids meds, and he'd go to each dorm at night to dispense what they called "sleepy meds". It was the medication that was so powerful they had to bring it to the children in the dorm right before bed because it would have significant drowsiness that was a side effect.
Nurses would be LONG gone by this time of day on a week day, and did not work weekends. Medication was dispensed four times a day (morning, lunch, dinner, bedtime) 7 days a week. So there was a significant part of the day where there was no oversight whatsoever, and none on the weekends.
Wanna try again Who?
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Thanks Lacey, I think this is why they have the provision that a licensed person does not have to dispense the medications ( in the government procedures) . It is good to know they had a licensed nurse on site during the day, though, at HLA. Many here would have you believe they didnt have a licensed person on site at all. It makes perfect sense that they wouldn’t require he/she to work 24/7 and instead have someone else dispense the meds. I think this is why the provision was allowed by the state and government.
If you think about it it makes logical sense. giving out the medications is a routine job that requires very little training... parents do it...babysitters do it.. extended families do it.
The critical part is that a licensed person fill the prescription and insure the dosage and medication is correct and oversee the distribution of the substances.
Do you see what I am getting at?
RobertBruce:
And when they fired the nurse and had no licensed medical person on staff and brought no one in to even supervise?
Were they still according to your own link (thanks again!) not in violation at that point?
TheWho:
So we settled that when the nurse was there she handed off responsibility to someone to handle the times she wasn’t there. So she was off site. How long can she be off site for? 1 hour a day? a week? Are they required to even have a nurse? The government doesn’t define this time period or requirement. They only stipulate that the person needs to be overseen by a licensed person. So if she was fired then the dispensing oversight would fall onto the shoulders of the pharmacist like it does at home. So this would be handled over the phone by the one prescribing the meds or the pharmacists who filled the meds or in person.
If you take a little time to read the link I provided you will see this is covered. Like I said if at any time you have any outside link to support your personal believes feel free to post them and we can throw them into the conversation. Each state sometimes has local ordinances which trump the federal level so it is possible.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---They only stipulate that the person needs to be overseen by a licensed person.
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And there you keep proving yourself wrong John. I have no need to provide a link, you've already done it for me. There was no supervision. A parent at home isnt dispensing meds to more than 100 kids at a time. Calling a pharmacist for a question isn't quite the same thing as having supervision to make sure the job is done correctly. You also still havent addressed the legality of having kids dispense meds.
TheWho:
So lets go back to the original statement of this piece of discussion:
--- Quote --- The problem with HLA is unlicensed persons dispensing narcotic drugs to minors.
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A license is not required…. This we have established via government regulations.
The person dispensing the meds needs to be overseen by someone who is licensed.
so the law stipulates this not I... so there we have it.
If HLA is allowing someone to dispense meds without the oversight of a licensed professional then they are operating outside the law.
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