Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
BANKRUPTCY UP-DATE
Anonymous:
I'll be polite here. These responses (pg49 & Guest) are incredibly rude and baseless. Yes, I did research the repair shop. No I didn't "drag my car down with me". I put my car in the repair shop on the advice of my salesman, after other repair shops couldnt figure out the problem. When you have a car that is swerving randomly in and out the lanes, a good driver will do what ever they have too to fix it, and now my car is well . It appears your car had the same treatment, but maybe you need to send it back to the repair shop for another stint. I have always been there for my car and still am. I’ve gone above and beyond what most drivers have done for their cars. My car has matured and is leading a good life, better than yours I suspect. My beef was the way the repair shop handled the insurance company, by lying to them, and then having the insurance company tell me about their lack of certification. My biggest mistake was the poor attorney I selected. My financial state was not totally caused by repair shop; however the added stress by their actions isn’t making life any easier.
To pg49 & Guest, I'm a better driver than you, even though I drove my car around like a maniac in the late 90's.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Ripped off" ---I'll be polite here. These responses (pg49 & Guest) are incredibly rude and baseless. Yes, I did research HLA. No I didn't "drag my child down with me". My child was enrolled in HLA on the advice of education counselor, after other solutions didn't work out. When you have a child who is acting out and failing school, a good parent will do what ever they have too to help them succeed, and now my child is well on their way to do just that. It appears your parents did the same, but maybe you need some retraining. I have always been there for my child and still am. I’ve gone above and beyond what most parents have done for their children. My child has matured and is leading a good life, better than you I suspect. My beef was the way HLA handled the insurance company, by lying to them, and then having the insurance company tell me about the non qualified counselors. My biggest mistake was the poor attorney I selected. My financial state was not totally caused by HLA; however the added stress by their actions isn’t making life any easier.
To pg49 & Guest, I suggest you mature a lot more before you make senseless and rather stupid comments.
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Obviously, you didnt research HLA well enough. Obviously, you made a poor and hasty choice. Obviously, you listened to a salesman without getting advice from an unbiased third party. Obviously, you allowed your kid to be abused in a corrupt institution. Obviously, you were desperate and selfish, wanting what you want when you wanted it. Obviously, you sucked at being a parent to begin with, and HLA didnt change anything. Obviously, you're poor choices (of school, then attorney, as a parent) prove that you just want the easy way out of things and have little forethought. You were swindled not because you you're a poor random victim and it could happen to anyone; you were swindled because you made yourself a target. You have not been there for your child, and you have not gone above and beyond, based on the simple fact that you chose to send your kid to HLA and kept him there ignorantly the length of the program. also, for some reason, the line "My beef was the way HLA handled the insurance company, by lying to them, and then having the insurance company tell me about the non qualified counselors." just doesnt make any logical sense to me. So they lied to the insurance company....and the company (AND YOU!) failed to investigate HLA's claims until it was too late? that doesnt sound like something an insurance company would do...companies are pretty on point about making sure their claims are legit from the beginning.
I will repeat once more: you dug your own grave. You're a piece of shit parent that did not think through their actions thoroughly enough in the desperate attempt to save your child that you fucked up to begin with. If you were a good parent, you would not have had to send your kid away, and you would not be in this situation.
and by the way, i'm doing just fine. Just because i use bad language and grammar when i'm angry at imbeciles on a web forum doesnt mean i need to be "retrained". I attended HLA around the time your son did, I now work in one of the top 10 law firms in the country. with my salary combined with my investments, i could pay all of your debts off ten times over and still have enough to buy a mansion for every member of my family. I could also take on your case and probably win it, i specialize in tort, but i have no desire to do so because it's your own damn fault. I have two toddlers, and they are doing just fine. And i will never, ever send them away anywhere unless they start smoking crack (which they never will, because i know the right way to prevent that, and it's not total abstinence and imposed stigma on all drugs..), and without investigating the living shit out of wherever they are going. If my kid is acting out and failing school, i'll know how to deal with it without shelling out a hundred thousand odd dollars to some rednecks in north georgia, or anyone anywhere for that matter. It's not a tough problem, as long as you dont shoulder all the responsibility on your kid and change the way YOU, as a parent behave, treat and support your kid. I will never have a need for a kiddie-repair warehouse because i am educated and responsible enough to know how to raise a kid on my own, and deal with their problems as they come along.
It's not the troubled teen industry. it's the troubled parent industry. the troubled parent industry makes their money by convincing troubled parents that it's all the kid's problem, the kid's fault. I'm not trying to say the kid is not responsible for his own actions, they are, but the actions come around as a direct result of bad parenting. In my opinion, if thats not the case....then we might as well get rid of the laws regarding minors and the age of consent, and allow anyone at any age to vote, sign contracts, etc. You are/were responsible for your kid's actions until they turn 18, practically and legally. the sooner you get that through your head, the better.
Troll Control:
Yeah, except that HLA says all counselors are licensed, as almost every one of these facilities advertises.
Whooter, you spent the better part of FOUR YEARS arguing here that program staff (counselors) were licensed at ASR. Aspen admitted you were lying. Now you act as if you were never saying this. Flip-flop, flip-flop, defelct, dissemble, outright lie. That's your MO, buddy. Nobody believes anything you say anymore because you've contradicted everything yo uever claimed to be true. Sorry, but EPIC fail on this one, too.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Yeah, except that HLA says all counselors are licensed, as almost every one of these facilities advertises.
Whooter, you spent the better part of FOUR YEARS arguing here that program staff (counselors) were licensed at ASR. Aspen admitted you were lying. Now you act as if you were never saying this. Flip-flop, flip-flop, defelct, dissemble, outright lie. That's your MO, buddy. Nobody believes anything you say anymore because you've contradicted everything yo uever claimed to be true. Sorry, but EPIC fail on this one, too.
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no, epic fail for you, paranoid jackass.
I'm not the who, neither is "ripped off", pg49, or the other guests, you would notice if you actually had any reading comprehension skills, and what you say has no bearing on the current conversation. If you havnt noticed yet, no one here is pro-program. were just anti-idiot. The issue is not weather or not counselors are licensed, nor does this have anything to do with aspen or swift river. The issue is with the parent's lack of forethought and research regarding their kid's placement.
instead of just reading what rippedoff said and taking it at face value, read between the lines. think about what kind of people would say what in certain situations. You'll quickly realize this parent is not remorseful for anything HLA did to her kid; if you havnt noticed she still supports HLA and claims it helped her son. She's not here because she hates the school for what they are, she's here because she hates the school for lying to her about a technicality which resulted in her being responsible for all the expenses out of pocket. If the insurance wasnt going to pay for the tuition, she would not have sent her kid there in the first place....BUT, she failed to look into the issue enough to know that they wouldn't pay, and dragged her feet for a year and a half. The information regarding certifications and licenses is available online (even in 97') and through other public channels. All she had to do was make a five minute phone call to the right organization or agency and she would have known the HLA counselors wernt licensed and the insurance wouldn't pay; like an idiot she just had blind faith in the salesmen because they gave her so much relief, reassurance, and immediate gratification.
Oh, and by the way - rippedoff - you said you were referred by an educational consultant. lets do some quick thinking. How do you think ed cons make money? Do you really think, given the way ed cons make their money, even if they are not any school's payroll, that they would give you an honest assessment and referral? think about it. All they want is to get you in and out of that office and get that check as quickly as possible. Also, given their line of work, do you really honestly believe they only get their money from parents? who do you think they are more worried about keeping a good relationship with, the schools or the parents? given this, what makes you think consulting an edcon would be a good choice to figure out where to put your kid? what makes you think they wont lie to you? I think that despite your age you dont have shit for experience in life, you are a perpetual victim. you will continue to get ripped off the rest of your life, with anything you do, as long as you keep taking things at face value and not looking deeper into things and reading between the lines.
Anonymous:
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Oh, and by the way - rippedoff - you said you were referred by an educational consultant. lets do some quick thinking. How do you think ed cons make money? Do you really think, given the way ed cons make their money, even if they are not any school's payroll, that they would give you an honest assessment and referral? think about it. All they want is to get you in and out of that office and get that check as quickly as possible. Also, given their line of work, do you really honestly believe they only get their money from parents? who do you think they are more worried about keeping a good relationship with, the schools or the parents? given this, what makes you think consulting an edcon would be a good choice to figure out where to put your kid? what makes you think they wont lie to you? I think that despite your age you dont have shit for experience in life, you are a perpetual victim. you will continue to get ripped off the rest of your life, with anything you do, as long as you keep taking things at face value and not looking deeper into things and reading between the lines.
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Ripped off: read the berger&montague's legal complaint, the part regarding Leslie Goldberg. Leslie was one of the most well-known educational consultants in the country up until a few years ago. She was THE benchmark all other consultants were judged against. If you CCed her in an email application to a college administrator, you were pretty much guaranteed to get in. If she said you're getting in, youre getting in. Bucci understood this, and utilized her. She did alot of business with HLA. why did she do business with HLA? because Bucci paid for all of her travel expenses - if she needed to be in atlanta for any reason, even if she was not there because of HLA, bucci would pay for everything. He also paid for a few of her vacations, even one to hawaii. The school rubs the ed-con's back and the ed-con rubs the school's back in return, thats the way the business works. ever since that complaint was published, she's become a nothing, a pariah of the academic world. she lost half her business and her entire reputation, as did the rest of the ed con industry. If the educational consultant was simply a counselor employed by your sons previous school, than that's even worse. The school counselors do not have the best interest of the kid or parent in mind; they have the best interest of the school in mind. If your kid was a problem for that school, they would do anything to sell you off to another school.
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