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leaa and yeah, you right.
justonemore:
this is to inculcated and ursus and greg and ginger. I just took a look at the ad for the seed, and it troubled me some. for one thing, by the time that ad had run barker& co., had already run afoul of some heavy players.This too i know. law enforcement assistance administration was more or less a 'slush fund 'on a grand scale to buy allegiances. much of their money went to weird third world 'commmandantes' Remember Nicaragua? I do. Check the international association of chiefs of police. What an assortment of thuggery! each and every one cries out for a bullet . Greg, you say that a lawsuit is pointless ( fruitless?) well, i'm not schooled in law, or much of anything else, but i can tell you it takes a mighty big dog to eat a lard tin full of biscuits. I believe thats what happened here. i know, have worked with task force officers from so. fl who are to this day spooky as hell about that time. the criminality here runs far and wide, and i'd just as soon it stopped. it's a mess, a real mess. it's an idealogical, philosophical, physical, spiritual, legal, moral and historic mess. and we have paid for it. over and over we have paid for it. Ah hell, i know a very fine man, army sniper, 14 confirmed mission. he's a backwoods country boy, gentle in all his ways. he too, has "paid for it" let us seek justice, and put an end to this, the madness that seeks to control others. ( oh yeah, for the record, i said historic and not historical.. there's a difference.. and i meant what i said)
and to the guest with the birds.. my doves are irrascible and they fuss so that you'd think they was Rabbis! but i got hawk and osprey and crested, and little owl, and cats and wood rats, and cardinal and house wren, and thrasher, and a finch i can't yet identify,, and i guess you know by now i like critters. and i don't like people who don't.
ginger this is specifically to you. you have said that there is ( i paraphrase) no cackleling fiend, that it's just good intentions gone awry. well hon, i gotta disagree. i don't believe that it goes this far, for this long, hurts so many people so deeply,AND MAKES SO MUCH MONEY, absent fiends. it's a hard thing, but i think it's true. ::unhappy::
Anonymous:
I love critters. And all do need pay the piper, that is why so many are trying to stop the jones gang. :peace:
Inculcated:
--- Quote from: "justonemore" ---this is to inculcated and ursus and greg and ginger. I just took a look at the ad for the seed, and it troubled me some. for one thing, by the time that ad had run barker& co., had already run afoul of some heavy players.
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Where was it published and in what publication? Out of curiosity I’d be interested to see just what they tried to pass themselves off as.What year was it?
Is there a timeline in brief of The Seed from its inception through its expansion and closure? I’d be interested in seeing something like that.
psy:
I think those who are only in it for the money are few and far between* and even they rationalize what they do as beneficial or somehow in the greater good. When they lie, they do it to protect their program from those who would not understand... ultimately to help the kids. In their eyes, they know better than the kids, the parents, and even the law.
I'd have to agree with ginger that, except for very few cases, I don't think there's anybody out there going "muahahaha... let's abuse kids for profit". No. They want convincing results and i'm pretty sure they are just as fooled as anybody else when a kid goes "this program saved my life". In most cases, I think they cut and paste "what works" from other programs and cults without a full realization of how the systems were designed and what they do. I don't think they realize they are implementing thought reform. I don't think they realize that the dramatic results they witness are only temporary and will leave permanent scars. When they do, they rationalize it away by blaming the victim and saying that so and so a person didn't work the program hard enough.
Yes, i'm sure there are some some sociopaths who want to make money at any cost, but it's my personal belief that they are very rare. I suppose the only ones who know for sure are the program directors themselves.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---I think those who are only in it for the money are few and far between* and even they rationalize what they do as beneficial or somehow in the greater good. When they lie, they do it to protect their program from those who would not understand... ultimately to help the kids. In their eyes, they know better than the kids, the parents, and even the law.
I'd have to agree with ginger that, except for very few cases, I don't think there's anybody out there going "muahahaha... let's abuse kids for profit". No. They want convincing results and i'm pretty sure they are just as fooled as anybody else when a kid goes "this program saved my life". In most cases, I think they cut and paste "what works" from other programs and cults without a full realization of how the systems were designed and what they do. I don't think they realize they are implementing thought reform. I don't think they realize that the dramatic results they witness are only temporary and will leave permanent scars. When they do, they rationalize it away by blaming the victim and saying that so and so a person didn't work the program hard enough.
Yes, i'm sure there are some some sociopaths who want to make money at any cost, but it's my personal belief that they are very rare. I suppose the only ones who know for sure are the program directors themselves.
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What difference does it make? It is all wrong, and need stop, to me clearly it is for profit. What ever the reason, it is creating very hurtful souls is all. Soooo, how do we stop it??? And good seeing you psy
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